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    I got a few articles on the Yankee pitchers, so I'm posting them.

    Committee vies for set-up role
    TAMPA, Fla. — The Yankees have tried approximately two dozen set-up men since Mariano Rivera took over as closer in 1997. They have ranged from reliable (Tom Gordon and Mike Stanton) to wretched (Felix Heredia and Jay Witasick).

    "It's probably one of the toughest jobs in baseball because you know Mo is going to get the save 99 times out of 100," catcher Jorge Posada said. "So the pressure is on you to get him the ball."

    Gordon shouldered most of that responsibility last season but took an offer in December to become the closer in Philadelphia. Now the job will fall to as many as five pitchers.
    Wang is silent, deadly
    TAMPA - A group of players gathered around Mariano Rivera's locker yesterday, sitting in a circle and chatting. Chien-Ming Wang was at the adjacent locker, occasionally poking his head into the conversation and laughing along with the others, but mostly just watching. His eyes, which look even younger than his 25 years, kept moving slowly around the room.

    This was pretty standard for Wang, who may be the most inconspicuous 6-foot-3 pitcher ever. Jason Giambi recalled a road trip early last season, when several veterans - including Giambi and Rivera - had dinner with the Taiwanese righthander just after he was called up from the minors.

    "He's never going to talk your ear off," Giambi said. "But you could tell he understands a lot. He just listens."
    Chacon A Real Troubleshooter
    WINTER HAVEN, Fla. -- Something good came out of Shawn Chacon's years pitching in Colorado. He got a lot of practice working out of trouble.

    "It seems like pitching there, you're always in that situation," he said. "You're always just one pitch away from getting out of it."

    Sunday, that one pitch was a sinker to Ben Broussard on a 3-and-0 count. Broussard hit it on the ground to second, where the Yankees started an inning-ending double play in the first.

    Chacon can now look back and laugh at those difficult innings in Denver when his curve wouldn't bite, when balls soared out of all proportion to how hard they were hit, when dinkers and dunkers fell in an outfield five track stars couldn't have covered. His career took a 180-degree turn when he escaped Coors Field.
    Guidry Happy In New Role
    And Early Reviews From Staff Are Good

    TAMPA, Fla. -- The old-school Yankees fan would best remember Ron Guidry holding a baseball, twirling it near his left hip as he stared down a hitter with everything on the line.

    The long-time Ron Guidry fan might imagine him with a fishing rod or a shotgun.

    Now, one finds Guidry, 55, carrying a briefcase for the first time in his life.

    "I used to carry books to read, or maybe a chess set to play," Guidry said Saturday as he walked out of Legends Field. "I've never had paperwork before. Now, I go to sleep seeing squares with numbers in them, not sheep."
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  • #2
    I really don't understand why people are so worried about the bullpen. It's not any worse than it was last year. I'm a lot more comfortable with Farnsworth, Sturtze, Myers, Villone, Proctor and Dotel (when he is 100%) than last year's grouping of Gordon, Quantrill, Stanton, Karsay and Rodriguez.

    It's not an elite bullpen but good relievers have only been on the decline in recent seasons.


    • #3
      If i was a yankee fan i would be much more worried with the starting rotation. Once again its full of old pitchers and there are alot of uncertaintys. The starting rotation could be very good or it could break down again with injuries and such.
      go sox.



      • #4
        The rotation isn't really "full of old pitchers". There's Randy Johnson who is 42, but also happens to be a freak of nature (that tossed 225 innings last year). There's also Mussina, who is 38, and definitely a concern given the injuries he's seen the past two seasons.

        Besides that, there's not much age in the rotation which will likely be filled out by Wang (26), Chacon (28), and Pavano (30). And there's Wright (30) and Small (34) and probably Matt DeSalvo in the minors (26) as insurance.


        • #5
          Originally posted by RedSoxVT92
          If i was a yankee fan i would be much more worried with the starting rotation. Once again its full of old pitchers and there are alot of uncertaintys. The starting rotation could be very good or it could break down again with injuries and such.
          I'd be more worried about the rotation if I were a Red Sox fan than a Yankee fan.

          I've done this before, but it doesn't hurt to do it again. Here's a look at the two rotations:

          Randy Johnson vs. Curt Schilling:
          Johnson is older with a balky back, but he's never been nearly as injury prone as Schilling. Schilling has been riddled with injuries his whole career. He had trouble staying on the field at age 28, let alone age 38 (last year). Schilling is coming off another injury riddled season and at age 39, bouncing back won't be as easy as it used to be. So even given Johnson is 42, I'd rather have him on my team. He's much more durable and his stuff is just better anyway.

          Mike Mussina vs. Josh Beckett:
          Mussina has been very inconsistent the past few years and has had some injury problem. It's safe to say that his best years are behind him. Beckett is young with good stuff, but that doesn't mean he gets the clear advantage here, as there are some really major question marks with Beckett. Beckett seems to be always fighting some kind of injury and he's never thrown more than 178 innings in a season. If he even manages to stay on the field for an entire season for a change, how will hold up down the stretch when he starts to throw more innings than he ever has? Can he still be effective after throwing 200+ innings? Can he even make it to 200+ innings? Also, in the past three years, his ERA has been two runs higher away from Dolphins Stadium. He's not going to be pitching there anymore, so how will he adjust to being permanently away from there? He also puts as lot of runners on base in the form of hits and walks, Fenway isn't going to help that at all and unless that trend is fixed, more of those baserunners will be turned into runs in Fenway. Then of course there are also questions of how he will adjust to the DH and the Boston media. Bottom line, Beckett needs to prove a lot of things to prove he can match the hype. However, based on his age and his potential, I do give him the advantage here over Mussina, but that's not to say that Beckett is not without a ton of questions.

          David Wells vs. Shawn Chacon:
          Wells is still a decent pitcher, but he's 43 with a back worse than Johnson's. So he is surely a giant question mark for the Sox. Chacon is 28, with terrific breaking stuff and with a great ERA last year away from Coors Field. He lacks velocity, but the guy can pitch, he just needed to get out of Colorado to do it. He showed that last year when he was on the road for the Rockies then when he was on the Yankees, and he's lighting it up this spring. Still have to see him do it for a full season, but we've seen other pitchers who relied on breaking stuff come out of Colorado and be pretty good (Mike Hampton, Darryl Kile). Given the way Chacon has pitched in the past year, given the way he kicked it up a notch when he got out of Colorado, and given Wells' injury concerns and age, gotta give this to Chacon.

          Carl Pavano vs. Matt Clement:
          I almost want to call this a push. They're essentially the same pitcher except Clement has less trouble staying healthy. So I'll give the edge to Clement, but Sox fans should definitely be concerned about how poorly he pitched after the All-Star break last year and whether he is still suffering any psychological effects from the comebacker that hit him.

          Chien-Ming Wang vs. Tim Wakefield:
          I'd have to say that Wakefield is about the only given in this rotation for the Sox. He should be good for an ERA an in the low 4's. He's 39, so age might become a concern, but knuckleballers have long lifespans. He is what he is, and that is usually about average against most teams (for some reasons the Yankees seem to struggle with him). Wang has good stuff, especially his diving fastballs, but injuries are a concern as well as durability over a full ML season. I have to say though, that if Wang is healthy, I have to give him the advantage based on youth and potential same as I give Beckett the advantage over Mussina.

          So overall, this just goes to illustrate that the Sox have plenty of their own concerns to worry about, including and especially injuries (Schilling, Beckett, Wells) and age (Schilling, Wells, Wakefield); which are funnily enough the same concerns you attributed to the Yankees.

          Also, the Yankees projected 5 are actually younger than the Sox projected 5:

          Yankees Average Age: 32.6

          Red Sox Average Age: 35.6

          Of course, with Arroyo and Papelbon, the Sox likely have better depth than the Yankees do with Wright and Small, but I suppose we can cross the bridge when we get there.


          • #6
            I also believe wang has regained at least some of his stuff fanning 4 batters in 3 innings and only giving up one hit and joe torre mentioning his forkball, split and slider becomming good pitches. Could this mean we see a more dominant wang this year?


            • #7
              Natural Progression In Place For Johnson
              FORT MYERS, Fla. -- It isn't any easier for Randy Johnson. It just looks that way.

              "It's really no different than last year," Johnson said. "What's going on between the white lines is going better, so maybe it seems that way. When it doesn't go the way I expect it to go between the lines, then, of course I'm going to be upset."

              The buildup toward his 18th big league season has been smooth and is nearly complete, lightening his demeanor. Johnson, 42, pitched 61/3 innings Friday against the Twins, his third solid outing in a row. He gave up five hits and one run while striking out five. He didn't walk a batter.

              "For me, it's always been a progression," Johnson said as his son Tanner helped unwrap the bandages and remove the ice packs from his shoulder, elbow and knee. "As long as I'm getting better with each start, that's what I'm looking for."
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              • #8

                Their bullpen may npt be able to handle the New York media but aside from farnsworth/gordon they can`t have gotten any worse also they FINALLY have a left specialist
                2009 World Series Champions, The New York Yankees


                • #9
                  Our ranks have just increased by two reliables. As to Pavano, he's officially shut down, says Torre.

                  Wang and Chacon Secure Their Spots in the Rotation
                  PHOENIX, March 31 — At first, Joe Torre explained that Chien-Ming Wang and Shawn Chacon were staying in the Yankees' rotation because of the kind of pitches they throw. Wang and Chacon are touch-and-feel pitchers, Torre said, and they need regular work to stay sharp.

                  Discuss M.L.B. About a minute later, Torre, the Yankees' manager, came to the obvious reason why those pitchers would take the third and fourth spots in the rotation while Jaret Wright would work in long relief for a while.

                  "They pitched well last year and they didn't do anything to change my mind this year," Torre said Friday at Chase Field before the Yankees' 6-5 victory against the Arizona Diamondbacks.

                  Wright, who fell behind Wang and Chacon because of a shoulder injury last year, is not scheduled to start until April 15. He has pitched in relief before and did not seem surprised when Torre told him the plan.

                  "That's the manager's choice," Wright said. "Whatever he thinks is going to work out best, that's fine with me."

                  PAVANO STILL HURTING Starter Carl Pavano had a magnetic resonance imaging examination on his bruised buttocks Thursday in Tampa, Fla. The results were negative, but Pavano is still sore. He sustained the injury Tuesday while making a play at first base. Pavano has pitched only two innings this spring because of back stiffness.

                  "As far as getting on a mound, he's shut down," Joe Torre said.
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