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Ruth Is The Greatest Baseball Player Ever!!

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  • Ruth Is The Greatest Baseball Player Ever!!

    No-One played or has played since Better all-around than Babe Ruth.
    If he were a basketball player he would be the combination of M.J./ Bird/ Wilt all-into-one...
    If he were a golfer he would be Palmer/Tiger Woods/Jack all-into-one..


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    "Once he hit a line drive right past my ear. I turned around and saw the ball hit his ass sliding into second." - Satchel Paige (about Cool Papa Bell)

    "If I had played my career hitting singles like Pete (Rose), I'd wear a dress." -Mickey Mantle


    "Some twenty years ago I stopped talking about the Babe (Ruth) for the simple reason that I realized that those who had never seen him didn't believe me." - Tommy Holmes

  • #2
    In football he would be Rice/Manning/Marino.
    Rest in Peace Jose Fernandez (1992-2016)

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    • #3
      I don't think anyone here would argue with you. Anyone who has a clue what they're talking about, anyways.

      I'm Red Sox fan by the way..I lost a bet so i'm displaying the Yankee cap as my avatar for a week.
      "I think about baseball when I wake up in the morning. I think about it all day and I dream about it at night. The only time I don't think about it is when I'm playing it."
      Carl Yastrzemski

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      • #4
        Yeah maybe no one in the Yankees forum would....but you would be surprised how many people dont even have Babe Ruth in their top ten players all-time. Alot of people i have talked to who are avid baseball fans who are about my age (24)...think Babe is over-rated....and my comeback is always this.........
        HE CALLED HIS OWN SHOT IN THE WORLD SERIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        The experts say hitting a baseball is the hardest thing to do in sports, and this guy calls his own shot...a homerun exactly where he pointed.....
        "Once he hit a line drive right past my ear. I turned around and saw the ball hit his ass sliding into second." - Satchel Paige (about Cool Papa Bell)

        "If I had played my career hitting singles like Pete (Rose), I'd wear a dress." -Mickey Mantle


        "Some twenty years ago I stopped talking about the Babe (Ruth) for the simple reason that I realized that those who had never seen him didn't believe me." - Tommy Holmes

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        • #5
          Originally posted by BiggestYankeeFan_in_Memphis
          Yeah maybe no one in the Yankees forum would....but you would be surprised how many people dont even have Babe Ruth in their top ten players all-time. Alot of people i have talked to who are avid baseball fans who are about my age (24)...think Babe is over-rated....and my comeback is always this.........
          HE CALLED HIS OWN SHOT IN THE WORLD SERIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
          The experts say hitting a baseball is the hardest thing to do in sports, and this guy calls his own shot...a homerun exactly where he pointed.....
          If you go and read the rankings around here, where informed fans hang out, you'll find Ruth at the top of 99% of the lists.

          As for the called shot?

          I'm inclined, from what I've read and researched over the years, to believe that Ruth didn't indicate he was going to hit a home run and his reaction to it indicates to me that his attitude was, "if that's what you want to believe I did, then go right ahead and believe it."
          "I think about baseball when I wake up in the morning. I think about it all day and I dream about it at night. The only time I don't think about it is when I'm playing it."
          Carl Yastrzemski

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          • #6
            I can't think of anyone, knowledgeable or just a casual fan, who doesn't put Babe Ruth in their top 10 players all time.

            As an all around player, no question Ruth is the greatest of all time - the combination of hitting and pitching is outstanding. However, strictly as a positional player, I sometimes put Willie Mays ahead of Ruth as the greatest positional player of all time. Ruth could rake, but Willie could do it all well, and he did it in a much more talented league than Ruth. In case anyone is interested, here are my top 10 positional players as of today (the list is always in flux):

            1) Willie Mays
            2) Babe Ruth
            3) Ty Cobb
            4) Ted Williams
            5) Hank Aaron
            6) Honus Wagner
            7) Barry Bonds (and this is taking into account the steroids)
            8) Lou Gehrig
            9) Mickey Mantle
            10) Stan Musial

            Strictly from a hitting standpoint, I have Ruth at no. 1, but I can see very good arguments for Ted Williams being the greatest hitter ever. Most people don't realize that Williams lost almost 5 seasons of his prime to military service. Give him those 5 seasons, and his career numbers all around would be off the charts.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by DoubleX
              I can't think of anyone, knowledgeable or just a casual fan, who doesn't put Babe Ruth in their top 10 players all time.

              As an all around player, no question Ruth is the greatest of all time - the combination of hitting and pitching is outstanding. However, strictly as a positional player, I sometimes put Willie Mays ahead of Ruth as the greatest positional player of all time. Ruth could rake, but Willie could do it all well, and he did it in a much more talented league than Ruth. In case anyone is interested, here are my top 10 positional players as of today (the list is always in flux):

              1) Willie Mays
              2) Babe Ruth
              3) Ty Cobb
              4) Ted Williams
              5) Hank Aaron
              6) Honus Wagner
              7) Barry Bonds (and this is taking into account the steroids)
              8) Lou Gehrig
              9) Mickey Mantle
              10) Stan Musial

              Strictly from a hitting standpoint, I have Ruth at no. 1, but I can see very good arguments for Ted Williams being the greatest hitter ever. Most people don't realize that Williams lost almost 5 seasons of his prime to military service. Give him those 5 seasons, and his career numbers all around would be off the charts.

              what about all the at-bats Ruth lost being a pitcher? imagine all the extra-base hits he could've had if he was an outfielder?

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              • #8
                You know people are 50/50 about ruth calling his shot.....there is more proof he did it, than proof he didn't do it..... Sounds like the cubs, trying dis-credit the greatest baseball player to walk this planet
                "Once he hit a line drive right past my ear. I turned around and saw the ball hit his ass sliding into second." - Satchel Paige (about Cool Papa Bell)

                "If I had played my career hitting singles like Pete (Rose), I'd wear a dress." -Mickey Mantle


                "Some twenty years ago I stopped talking about the Babe (Ruth) for the simple reason that I realized that those who had never seen him didn't believe me." - Tommy Holmes

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                • #9
                  His atitude was "what's up now cub fans?......Bow Down"
                  "Once he hit a line drive right past my ear. I turned around and saw the ball hit his ass sliding into second." - Satchel Paige (about Cool Papa Bell)

                  "If I had played my career hitting singles like Pete (Rose), I'd wear a dress." -Mickey Mantle


                  "Some twenty years ago I stopped talking about the Babe (Ruth) for the simple reason that I realized that those who had never seen him didn't believe me." - Tommy Holmes

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by blackout805
                    what about all the at-bats Ruth lost being a pitcher? imagine all the extra-base hits he could've had if he was an outfielder?
                    That's certainly true, though I wouldn't expect prolific homerun totals during those years since it was the deadball era. Though he would probably have a lot more doubles and even triples.

                    Still, I think there are three players who epitomize what the perfect ballplayer is (in terms of being a positional player): Ty Cobb, Willie Mays, and Barry Bonds (with Hank Aaron and Honus Wagner not too far behind). Now Bonds drops out of the discussion because of the steroids. Cobb gets docked a little because of his era. That leaves Mays. Mays could do everything you could ever ask for from a positional player. Ruth could hit, better than anyone, but Mays' overall game closes the gap, IMO. The final consideration is the era. Mays played in one of the most talented eras ever, and one that heavily favored pitching over offense. Ruth played in a less talented era, in a league that heavily favored offense and was heavily water-down from segregation and the limits of scouting at the time (i.e. many talented players west of the Mississippi were not being discovered).

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by DoubleX
                      That's certainly true, though I wouldn't expect prolific homerun totals during those years since it was the deadball era. Though he would probably have a lot more doubles and even triples.

                      Still, I think there are three players who epitomize what the perfect ballplayer is (in terms of being a positional player): Ty Cobb, Willie Mays, and Barry Bonds (with Hank Aaron and Honus Wagner not too far behind). Now Bonds drops out of the discussion because of the steroids. Cobb gets docked a little because of his era. That leaves Mays. Mays could do everything you could ever ask for from a positional player. Ruth could hit, better than anyone, but Mays' overall game closes the gap, IMO. The final consideration is the era. Mays played in one of the most talented eras ever, and one that heavily favored pitching over offense. Ruth played in a less talented era, in a league that heavily favored offense and was heavily water-down from segregation and the limits of scouting at the time (i.e. many talented players west of the Mississippi were not being discovered).
                      DoubleX:

                      As to Ruth and the deadball era, if he had started out
                      as an outfielder, might he not have started slugging
                      homers in, say, 1915, instead of 1918 and 1919, thus
                      hastening the end of the deadball era?

                      Let me strongly concur in what you say in re Willie
                      Mays. His equal has never stepped on a baseball
                      field.

                      Brownie31

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                      • #12
                        i just started to read the new babe ruth book "The Big Bam: The Life and Times of Babe Ruth" by Leigh Monteville. reads well so far. the publishing world, i guess, is trying to capitalize on the bonds passing ruth moment and the whole "ruth swatted a bunch of home runs without the benefit of steroids" talk. so a great time for a new ruth biography.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Brownie31
                          DoubleX:

                          As to Ruth and the deadball era, if he had started out
                          as an outfielder, might he not have started slugging
                          homers in, say, 1915, instead of 1918 and 1919, thus
                          hastening the end of the deadball era?

                          Let me strongly concur in what you say in re Willie
                          Mays. His equal has never stepped on a baseball
                          field.

                          Brownie31
                          He would have hit homeruns in the deadball era, but not anything like he did in the 20s. There is a reason the deadball era is called the deadball era; the ball was dead. A different ball was used in the 1910s then was used in the 1920s. It wasn't like Ruth suddenly discovered the homerun and everyone else followed, it had a lot to do with a new livelier a ball. Maybe Ruth would have hit 20-25 a year in the deadball era, maybe even get above 30 in a year or two, which would still be records, but he would not be hitting 40+, and certainly not over 50. Ruth's 54 in 1920 coincided with the advent of the livelier ball.

                          Additionally, the pitching rules changed after the 1919 season and several prevalent pitches, such as the splitter, became illegal. Also, the league started using new balls more frequently in games, instead of recycling balls that had been used and thus dirtied and scuffed up. In all, 1920 marked a huge change in the makeup of the game that heavily swung the pendulum away from pitching and towards offense and power. Ruth is perhaps the best example of the right person being in the right place at the right time (especially when you consider the Black Sox scandal).

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                          • #14
                            My understanding of the "Called Shot" was that Ruth himself gave conflicting accounts of why he gestured (some sources theorize that the dugout and/or pitcher Charlie Root were the intended targets; others discuss the number of strikes on Ruth as accounting for the fingers in the air), and it wasn't until later that Ruth seemed to go along with the media on the homerun thing.

                            Those who supported the idea at the time seem to me to be individuals who might gain from the publicity of it being true.
                            "Anything less would not have been worthy of me. Anything more would not have been possible." - Carl Yastrzemski

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by DoubleX
                              He would have hit homeruns in the deadball era, but not anything like he did in the 20s. There is a reason the deadball era is called the deadball era; the ball was dead. A different ball was used in the 1910s then was used in the 1920s. It wasn't like Ruth suddenly discovered the homerun and everyone else followed, it had a lot to do with a new livelier a ball. Maybe Ruth would have hit 20-25 a year in the deadball era, maybe even get above 30 in a year or two, which would still be records, but he would not be hitting 40+, and certainly not over 50. Ruth's 54 in 1920 coincided with the advent of the livelier ball.

                              Additionally, the pitching rules changed after the 1919 season and several prevalent pitches, such as the splitter, became illegal. Also, the league started using new balls more frequently in games, instead of recycling balls that had been used and thus dirtied and scuffed up. In all, 1920 marked a huge change in the makeup of the game that heavily swung the pendulum away from pitching and towards offense and power. Ruth is perhaps the best example of the right person being in the right place at the right time (especially when you consider the Black Sox scandal).
                              DoubleX:

                              What about Ruth's 29 in 1919? Was this not in the
                              deadball era? Is it not possible that he could have
                              hit 20 plus before 1919?

                              Cravath of the Phillies hit 24 in 1915.

                              You are absolutely correct as to Ruth's being in
                              right place at the right time.

                              Brownie31

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