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  • Call was correct

    The call was correct tonight, from the Kauffman Stadium site...

    above surrounding fenceline is a home run. Below surrounding fenceline is in play.
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    Originally posted by SavoyBG View Post
    The call was correct tonight, from the Kauffman Stadium site...

    above surrounding fenceline is a home run. Below surrounding fenceline is in play.
    What I'm wondering, was that the ground rule in place before that play actually took place. If that is the case even though it seems odd to me since the ball never left the playing field, then I wouild agree.
    Or did the umps just make a judgement call and decide it was a home run.
    Last edited by SHOELESSJOE3; 08-17-2011, 10:23 PM.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by SHOELESSJOE3 View Post
      What I'm wondering, was that the ground rule in place before that play actually took place. If that is the case even though it seems odd to me since the ball never left the playing field, then I wouild agree.
      Or did the umps just make a judgement call and decide it was a home run.
      Gerardi on the post game show said that DaMuth told him that the ground rule is that the ball only has to clear the first fence. This was discussed at the ground rules in the first game of the series. The ruling was that the ball hit the top of the first fence, then caromed off of the second fence, which is the one with the railing.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by SavoyBG View Post
        The call was correct tonight, from the Kauffman Stadium site...

        above surrounding fenceline is a home run. Below surrounding fenceline is in play.
        Are you speaking of the small portion of fence between the top of the wall and the top railing. Then that would mean if the ball strikes the railing and stays in the park, it would be a home run.
        That makes no sense since the top rail is the last barrier to be cleared for a home run.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by SavoyBG View Post
          The call was correct tonight, from the Kauffman Stadium site...

          above surrounding fenceline is a home run. Below surrounding fenceline is in play.
          No, here's what it actually says:
          "Foul poles -- above surrounding fenceline is a home run. Below surrounding fenceline is in play."

          How come you left off the words "foul poles"? That rule doesn't seem to have anything to do with that HR/double.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by SHOELESSJOE3 View Post
            Are you speaking of the small portion of fence between the top of the wall and the top railing. Then that would mean if the ball strikes the railing and stays in the park, it would be a home run.
            That makes no sense since the top rail is the last barrier to be cleared for a home run.
            Like I said, the ground rule is that the ball only has to go over the first fence. Yes, if the ball strikes the railing it is a HR.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by SavoyBG View Post
              Like I said, the ground rule is that the ball only has to go over the first fence. Yes, if the ball strikes the railing it is a HR.
              Watch this and see if you change your mind. Even Frank White and a Royals official say it should not have been a HR.
              http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?c_...me_pk%3D288746

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ipitch View Post
                Watch this and see if you change your mind. Even Frank White and a Royals official say it should not have been a HR.
                http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?c_...me_pk%3D288746
                I'm aware of that, but neither of them is an umpire. Players and broadcasters do not know the rules, whether it's the playing rules or the ground rules.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by SavoyBG View Post
                  I'm aware of that, but neither of them is an umpire. Players and broadcasters do not know the rules, whether it's the playing rules or the ground rules.
                  Nice blanket statement there! This from the person that says a rule about the FOUL POLE means that the call was correct?!?!? Bizarre.

                  As for now, the title of this thread should be "call was incorrect".

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by SavoyBG View Post
                    Gerardi on the post game show said that DaMuth told him that the ground rule is that the ball only has to clear the first fence. This was discussed at the ground rules in the first game of the series. The ruling was that the ball hit the top of the first fence, then caromed off of the second fence, which is the one with the railing.
                    I guess if it was discussed then the call would be correct. Sounds like a screwy ground rule, you would think they would make it simple, if the ball goes into the seated area, a homer , if not then still in play. Why would it even be a ground rule double if it never bounced from the playing and over a fence or wall.

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                    • #11
                      It's the messed up set up there that caused this. Look at about the 2:00 minute mark in the vid IP linked, there's the first fence with the signage and a padded solid top, that then has an additional foot of chain link on top of it with vertical padded poles and a second green padded horizontal rail above the first one, and the top of that is 12" in front of the stadium wall's rail. This is pretty clear at 1:56.

                      http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?c_...me_pk%3D288746

                      The ball hit the top of the first green padded area below the top of the fence and bounced off the chain link and back into play. In most ballparks bounding off the wall back into play is not a ground rule double, forget HR.

                      Expect the umpires thought it bounced off the blue rail? Too many horizontal surfaces too close together for darn sure.

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                      • #12
                        Here's a good angle of the wall. I would think that the ball should have to clear the pad on top of the chain link to be a HR.
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                        • #13
                          Sixty minutes after Joakim Soria fanned Jorge Posada with the bases loaded to end the game, umpire supervisor Steve Palermo had the four umpires on the left-field warning track and held an animated conversation with DeMuth. It was a strong indication DeMuth made a mistake.
                          http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/yanke...4HpodcNFDmBKdK


                          If you saw Billy Butler's home run on Wednesday night, you know that the umpires blew the call.

                          The ball never cleared the fence, hitting off the back part of the wall, a chain-link fence that was considered in play. The only problem? Dana DeMuth, the crew chief, didn't remember what the rules were.

                          The Yankees were understandably livid, though they were unable to do anything about it. Joe Girardi didn't file a protest at the time of the call, leaving him helpless to do anything after the game.
                          http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/yan...-blow-it-in-kc

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by CandlestickBum View Post
                            It's the messed up set up there that caused this. Look at about the 2:00 minute mark in the vid IP linked, there's the first fence with the signage and a padded solid top, that then has an additional foot of chain link on top of it with vertical padded poles and a second green padded horizontal rail above the first one, and the top of that is 12" in front of the stadium wall's rail. This is pretty clear at 1:56.

                            http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?c_...me_pk%3D288746

                            The ball hit the top of the first green padded area below the top of the fence and bounced off the chain link and back into play. In most ballparks bounding off the wall back into play is not a ground rule double, forget HR.

                            Expect the umpires thought it bounced off the blue rail? Too many horizontal surfaces too close together for darn sure.
                            Why did they make this so complicated. All they had to do with the ground rule was use common sense, make the rule the way it is most other parks. Any ball that hits the padded area or even that top rail and then bounces into the seated area is a home run.

                            Any ball that hits the padded area or rail and bounds back on the field is...........what ever the runner can get. I have no idea where some thought it should be a double.

                            In I believe all parks, any ball that bounces off the top of the wall and clears all barrriers is a home run. Back on the field, in play, runner gets what he could. I guess thats too simple.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by SHOELESSJOE3 View Post
                              Why did they make this so complicated. All they had to do with the ground rule was use common sense, make the rule the way it is most other parks. Any ball that hits the padded area or even that top rail and then bounces into the seated area is a home run.

                              Any ball that hits the padded area or rail and bounds back on the field is...........what ever the runner can get. I have no idea where some thought it should be a double.
                              It appears that that IS the rule. The umpires just got the call wrong.

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