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Montero for Pineda trade: good or bad?

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  • #16
    Originally posted by NJYankeeFan View Post
    1. Phil Hughes
    2. Hughes, Chamberlain, Banuelos

    I hope for the best from Pineda but he is not very different from Hughes or Joba.

    Hughes, Chamberlain, Kennedy, Banuelos, Betances, Warren, Campos.....

    Remember the Rule of 3. Three Top Arms: One fizzles out, one becomes serviceable and the last could be a front line starter.
    "After my fourth season I asked for $43,000 and General Manager Ed Barrow told me, 'Young man, do you realize Lou Gehrig, a 16-year-man, is playing for only $44,000?' I said, Mr. Barrow, there is only one answer to that - Mr. Gehrig is terribly underpaid."- Yankees outfielder Joe DiMaggio

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    • #17
      Originally posted by TonyStarks View Post
      He's been gaining some of that velocity back. Last outing it was about 2MPH faster than the last time.

      Keep in mind that Mr. Pineda decided to come into camp 15lbs heavy. I've seen this show before, I think Phil Hughes starred in it last season. Hughes came into camp like 20lbs overweight and it was horrible for most of the season. I must admit that this does not make me a happy camper. Pineda should have come into camp in great shape. He was heading to the Yankees and was traded for one of the most prized prospects in all of baseball. He should have made it his job to impress his new bosses by arriving early to camp and in great shape. Not the way to start his Yankee career.

      Andy is an insurance policy on Pineda, or so me thinks. So don't be surprised if Pineda starts the season in Scranton.
      Any other year, I'd back sending him to Scranton. But this year, two things defeat that assertion:

      1. Scranton is constantly on the road this year
      2. That rotation is almost as longjammed as MLB Yankees

      On top of that, wouldn't you be upset if you were sent down after being an All-Star last year? He can help us win now, I'd rather have him on the roster. And if you look at our starters right now, he has the second best spring behind Phil Hughes (Excluding Kuroda, Sabathia) .

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      • #18
        Originally posted by TonyStarks View Post
        Hughes, Chamberlain, Kennedy, Banuelos, Betances, Warren, Campos.....

        Remember the Rule of 3. Three Top Arms: One fizzles out, one becomes serviceable and the last could be a front line starter.
        I know that but I would not include Warren and not Phelps.

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        • #19
          Pineda is struggeling a bit but I still think this is a good trade for the yankees.

          of course this also depends on monteros developement behind the plate. If montero becomes an average catcher somehow you might have lost an MVP candidate with his bat. but if he becomes a 1B/DH you will have only lost a good bat.
          I now have my own non commercial blog about training for batspeed and power using my training experience in baseball and track and field.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by dominik View Post
            Pineda is struggeling a bit but I still think this is a good trade for the yankees.

            of course this also depends on monteros developement behind the plate. If montero becomes an average catcher somehow you might have lost an MVP candidate with his bat. but if he becomes a 1B/DH you will have only lost a good bat.
            I think it will be fair to wait 10 years to evaulate this trade. I think even if Montero blooms into like a Pujols type player, you can't blame the Yankees for wanting to get young pitching talent and hope to come up with an ace.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by YankeeRLA1968 View Post
              I think it will be fair to wait 10 years to evaulate this trade. I think even if Montero blooms into like a Pujols type player, you can't blame the Yankees for wanting to get young pitching talent and hope to come up with an ace.
              If Montero turns into a Pujols, which I doubt I think more like a Frank Thomas, then I would hate Cashman even more for not getting King Felix back or Roy Halladay or even Cliff Lee in previous years.
              "After my fourth season I asked for $43,000 and General Manager Ed Barrow told me, 'Young man, do you realize Lou Gehrig, a 16-year-man, is playing for only $44,000?' I said, Mr. Barrow, there is only one answer to that - Mr. Gehrig is terribly underpaid."- Yankees outfielder Joe DiMaggio

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              • #22
                Originally posted by TonyStarks View Post
                If Montero turns into a Pujols, which I doubt I think more like a Frank Thomas, then I would hate Cashman even more for not getting King Felix back or Roy Halladay or even Cliff Lee in previous years.
                I doubt he will be as good as pujols or thomas. IMO his minor league stats don't indicate that.

                but I could imagine him putting up about a 140 OPS+ every year. If he does that as a 1B that is good. but as a catcher that would make him an MVP candidate.
                I now have my own non commercial blog about training for batspeed and power using my training experience in baseball and track and field.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by dominik View Post
                  I doubt he will be as good as pujols or thomas. IMO his minor league stats don't indicate that.

                  but I could imagine him putting up about a 140 OPS+ every year. If he does that as a 1B that is good. but as a catcher that would make him an MVP candidate.
                  Pujols minor league numbers didn't indicate he would be the monster he is either.
                  Look at Cano's minor league numbers, for God's sake he was almost a throw in on that Randy Johnson trade. LOL

                  When I see Montero's minor league stats, I saw a hitter who mashes then pitchers catch up, then Monero adjusts and continues mashing. His numbers don't tell you everything about him. I checked in on him weekly and would see eye popping numbers, then he'd struggle, then he'd adjust and be back to putting up numbers.

                  I could see Montero hitting .285-.310 w/25-32HR while posting .370+ OBP
                  "After my fourth season I asked for $43,000 and General Manager Ed Barrow told me, 'Young man, do you realize Lou Gehrig, a 16-year-man, is playing for only $44,000?' I said, Mr. Barrow, there is only one answer to that - Mr. Gehrig is terribly underpaid."- Yankees outfielder Joe DiMaggio

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                  • #24
                    Pujols is my worst case scenario of how good Montero could turn out. I am doubtful about his power numbers in a pitcher friendly park like Seattle.

                    Anyways...it could be another Cashman blunder for sure but I would like to think we need to wait 10 years to really evaluate. Sometimes it is a crapshoot...the Yankees need good young pitching and want someone that can become a dominate #1 guy. I can't blame them for intent...as for evaluating what Pineda could truly offer...we will see.

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                    • #25
                      While hoping for Pujols is a bit much. Not impossible. But not likely. Still I think he will be a great hitter.

                      We traded Jesus for Judas.

                      Can that be Pineda's new nickname.

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                      • #26
                        Do yesterdays mega contracts influence any thoughts on this trade? Both players are reasonable comps towards the high end. Solid/ace pitcher. High end hitter with little defensive value. Big difference in paydays.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by NJYankeeFan View Post
                          While hoping for Pujols is a bit much. Not impossible. But not likely. Still I think he will be a great hitter.

                          We traded Jesus for Judas.

                          Can that be Pineda's new nickname.
                          I have heard concerns about monteros swing (called "unorthodox"). maybe this coul be a concern in the future when pitchers find holes in his swing that he cannot cover. not sure if this is true though.
                          I now have my own non commercial blog about training for batspeed and power using my training experience in baseball and track and field.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by dominik View Post
                            I have heard concerns about monteros swing (called "unorthodox"). maybe this coul be a concern in the future when pitchers find holes in his swing that he cannot cover. not sure if this is true though.
                            I think it is slightly inside out. Not unlike Jeter but with power. Just my recollection.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by dominik View Post
                              I have heard concerns about monteros swing (called "unorthodox"). maybe this coul be a concern in the future when pitchers find holes in his swing that he cannot cover. not sure if this is true though.
                              Like I said in another post, after watching him like a stock he starts out fast then usually hits a bump in the road, but he eventually recovers. So there is an adjustment period to him by pitchers and then he readjusts to them.

                              So to answer, yes pitcher seem to find a whole in his swing....but Montero eventually overcomes it.
                              "After my fourth season I asked for $43,000 and General Manager Ed Barrow told me, 'Young man, do you realize Lou Gehrig, a 16-year-man, is playing for only $44,000?' I said, Mr. Barrow, there is only one answer to that - Mr. Gehrig is terribly underpaid."- Yankees outfielder Joe DiMaggio

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                              • #30
                                i just wish we kept Jesus Montero


                                he's going to be the next Babe Ruth

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