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  • Why MLB doesn't track LOB stats?

    Trying to find individual LOB stats for MLB players per season. MLB doesn't track them except in each games box score but I cannot find LOB stats for the season per individual.

    Does anyone know where they can be found?

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    try fangraphs.com
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    • #3
      Originally posted by BIGTIMEYANKEE View Post
      Trying to find individual LOB stats for MLB players per season. MLB doesn't track them except in each games box score but I cannot find LOB stats for the season per individual.

      Does anyone know where they can be found?

      I looked into 2012 LOB stats. To my surprise I didn't see Alex in the Top 100, but guess who I did find? Derek Jeter, 115 @ 28th. I also found Granderson at 99th with 141.


      2011 Top 100:
      #41: Brett Gardner: 206
      #46: Derek Jeter: 208
      "After my fourth season I asked for $43,000 and General Manager Ed Barrow told me, 'Young man, do you realize Lou Gehrig, a 16-year-man, is playing for only $44,000?' I said, Mr. Barrow, there is only one answer to that - Mr. Gehrig is terribly underpaid."- Yankees outfielder Joe DiMaggio

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      • #4
        because LOB is a team stat not an individual stat. you cannot just credit one batter with the LOB unless the runner gets on with 2 outs and then the batter makes an out. otherwise more than one batter would contribute to the LOB.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by dominik View Post
          because LOB is a team stat not an individual stat. you cannot just credit one batter with the LOB unless the runner gets on with 2 outs and then the batter makes an out. otherwise more than one batter would contribute to the LOB.
          More succinctly, it is a fairly meaningless stat. Like trying to measure clutch hitting or the tooth fairy's efficiency in snatching teeth.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by dominik View Post
            because LOB is a team stat not an individual stat. you cannot just credit one batter with the LOB unless the runner gets on with 2 outs and then the batter makes an out. otherwise more than one batter would contribute to the LOB.
            I have no idea why someone wants to see LOB stats for players. It's a utterly useless stat for a player. It's a team stat, period.

            Whatever the case, if I had to guess why he wants the stats it's was probably only to further embarrass ARod. He probably thought that Alex left a ton of runners on base, but to my surprise Jeter has left on more and he probably should since he gets more ABs.

            After giving him that stats I'm sure the OP won't care for them and will disregard them...I mean he has had this mantra that "stats are meaningless".
            "After my fourth season I asked for $43,000 and General Manager Ed Barrow told me, 'Young man, do you realize Lou Gehrig, a 16-year-man, is playing for only $44,000?' I said, Mr. Barrow, there is only one answer to that - Mr. Gehrig is terribly underpaid."- Yankees outfielder Joe DiMaggio

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            • #7
              Where can the LOB stats be found is the question?? No stat is meaningless, some just have less meaning than others.
              LOB stats are listed on a daily basis for each player in each box score thus not making them a team stat but for the total. Just as runs scored or walks or strikeouts are listed for each individual with the total for all then being the team stat.

              If someone knows where they are listed I would appreciate it.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by BIGTIMEYANKEE View Post
                Where can the LOB stats be found is the question?? No stat is meaningless, some just have less meaning than others.
                LOB stats are listed on a daily basis for each player in each box score thus not making them a team stat but for the total. Just as runs scored or walks or strikeouts are listed for each individual with the total for all then being the team stat.

                If someone knows where they are listed I would appreciate it.
                They can be found here.
                http://www.teamrankings.com/mlb/play...t/left-on-base

                BTW, there are two different LOB stats that people tend to confuse. Individual LOB for players, and LOB for a team.
                For example, in this box score, the WSox team LOB was 2, but the individual players' LOBs total 7.
                http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index...mlb_1&mode=box

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by BIGTIMEYANKEE View Post
                  Where can the LOB stats be found is the question?? No stat is meaningless, some just have less meaning than others.
                  LOB stats are listed on a daily basis for each player in each box score thus not making them a team stat but for the total. Just as runs scored or walks or strikeouts are listed for each individual with the total for all then being the team stat.

                  If someone knows where they are listed I would appreciate it.
                  No stat is meaningless? Then I guess your account was hijacked when you posted this?

                  Originally posted by BIGTIMEYANKEE View Post
                  The hand picking or meaningless stats means nothing. The stats of any player in baseball can be hand picked to make that player look better than they are. Living off one month in 2009 does not make for a great player. It is the career and the body of work. Cheating baseball, cheating ones family does not make for a good team mate. But it does make for someone who earns no respect.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by quagmire View Post
                    No stat is meaningless? Then I guess your account was hijacked when you posted this?
                    The stats only matter when they prop up Jeter's greatness. If the stats somehow down play his poor play, then of course they're meaningless. LOL
                    "After my fourth season I asked for $43,000 and General Manager Ed Barrow told me, 'Young man, do you realize Lou Gehrig, a 16-year-man, is playing for only $44,000?' I said, Mr. Barrow, there is only one answer to that - Mr. Gehrig is terribly underpaid."- Yankees outfielder Joe DiMaggio

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by TonyStarks View Post
                      The stats only matter when they prop up Jeter's greatness. If the stats somehow down play his poor play, then of course they're meaningless. LOL
                      Jeters greatness and HOF credentials are common knowledge, therefore only handpicking or nitpicking stats here and there can only try to be used to discredit a player. That is what you try to do with your trolling.

                      I asked for help on a subject and you troll it into something completely different. Wow!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by NJYankeeFan View Post
                        More succinctly, it is a fairly meaningless stat. Like trying to measure clutch hitting or the tooth fairy's efficiency in snatching teeth.
                        Usually the teams who lead in GIDP and LOB are the teams who score the most runs. this is because the sustainable range for hitting with RISP is rather low. Let's asume a team hits .265 then the number with RISP will probably be somewhere between .245 and .285. anything else would not be sustainable.

                        that means that the number of baserunners will usually have a larger effect on LOB and GIDP then the actual "clutch hitting". usually not being clutch means being unlucky and being clutch means having some luck.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by dominik View Post
                          Usually the teams who lead in GIDP and LOB are the teams who score the most runs. this is because the sustainable range for hitting with RISP is rather low. Let's asume a team hits .265 then the number with RISP will probably be somewhere between .245 and .285. anything else would not be sustainable.

                          that means that the number of baserunners will usually have a larger effect on LOB and GIDP then the actual "clutch hitting". usually not being clutch means being unlucky and being clutch means having some luck.
                          Like any stat that includes some skill, there is a stabilization point in which we can find 1/2 LOB pitching and hitting skill and 1/2 luck It is about the same sample size as BABIP for pitchers (around 7-9 years) and even longer for hitters, but it is there if you have enough data. At a team level, that level won't be reached in one season.
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