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  • A's acquire John Jaso

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  • #2
    I'd rather have Morse, who the M's ended up with in the 3 team deal. Jaso is mediocre at best - Norris will probably start.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Zito75 View Post
      I'd rather have Morse, who the M's ended up with in the 3 team deal. Jaso is mediocre at best - Norris will probably start.
      Jaso is the better player. Morse has some power, that's it. Morse doesn't have a defensive position, doesn't run the bases well, doesn't draw walks, strikes out too much. Jaso is the better player who is cheaper, under club control longer. If you're an Oakland fan, be glad you have him. He was misused by Wedge last year and if the A's give him enough PA, he will be proven to be one of the best catchers in the game. Oakland won the deal, no question.
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      • #4
        Sounds like a Jaso/Norris platoon. I see Kottars was DFA'd the day after he signed a deal.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Zito75 View Post
          I'd rather have Morse, who the M's ended up with in the 3 team deal. Jaso is mediocre at best - Norris will probably start.
          Why?

          Jaso Career: .359/.395 OBP/SLG. 3.6 WAR per 700 PA's
          Morse Last 3: .345/.516 OBP/SLG 2.6 WAR per 700 PA's

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          • #6
            Originally posted by filihok View Post
            Why?

            Jaso Career: .359/.395 OBP/SLG. 3.6 WAR per 700 PA's
            Morse Last 3: .345/.516 OBP/SLG 2.6 WAR per 700 PA's
            Morse had a breakout year in '11 and played alright after his injury in '12. He had an OPS of over .900 in '11 and has hit 3 bills or close to it over the past few years. I'd rather have that than a platoon catcher on my squad... If Jaso gets a years worth of PA's in a season, he might be able to put something decent together...
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Zito75 View Post
              Morse had a breakout year in '11 and played alright after his injury in '12. He had an OPS of over .900 in '11 and has hit 3 bills or close to it over the past few years. I'd rather have that than a platoon catcher on my squad... If Jaso gets a years worth of PA's in a season, he might be able to put something decent together...
              Jaso 5.5 WAR over the last 3 seasons as a platoon catcher
              Morse 4.7 WAR over the last 3 seasons as a 1B/LF


              You should consider the relevant talent levels
              LF 2012: .326/.431
              1B 2012: .336/.432

              C 2012: .318/.400
              *http://www.baseball-reference.com/le...12&lg=MLB#defp

              Jaso is much more better than his position mates than Morse is. Thus, he's worth a lot more


              EDIT: Plus, Morse makes $7 million this year and is a free agent after the season.
              Jaso will probably make about $7 million over the next 3 seasons that he's under team control.
              Last edited by filihok; 01-19-2013, 12:09 PM.

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              • #8
                Terrific Beane-esque move.

                Jaso/Norris platoon is the epitome of Billy Beane's methodology.
                Rest in Peace Jose Fernandez (1992-2016)

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by filihok View Post
                  Jaso 5.5 WAR over the last 3 seasons as a platoon catcher
                  Morse 4.7 WAR over the last 3 seasons as a 1B/LF


                  You should consider the relevant talent levels
                  LF 2012: .326/.431
                  1B 2012: .336/.432

                  C 2012: .318/.400
                  *http://www.baseball-reference.com/le...12&lg=MLB#defp

                  Jaso is much more better than his position mates than Morse is. Thus, he's worth a lot more


                  EDIT: Plus, Morse makes $7 million this year and is a free agent after the season.
                  Jaso will probably make about $7 million over the next 3 seasons that he's under team control.
                  WAR isn't everything - so I'm glad you have other stats posted. I'm hoping Jaso plays well that enough that he's NOT platooned...
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Zito75 View Post
                    WAR isn't everything - so I'm glad you have other stats posted.
                    Well, all WAR really is those other stats, measured against average players, converted to runs and adjusted for replacement.


                    I'm hoping Jaso plays well that enough that he's NOT platooned...
                    He hasn't shown that he can hit lefties. He's 25% above average vs righties, and 40% below average vs lefties.
                    vs L: 15% walks, 18% K's, .066 ISO
                    vs R: 13% walks, 11% K's, .151 ISO

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by filihok View Post
                      Well, all WAR really is those other stats, measured against average players, converted to runs and adjusted for replacement.



                      He hasn't shown that he can hit lefties. He's 25% above average vs righties, and 40% below average vs lefties.
                      vs L: 15% walks, 18% K's, .066 ISO
                      vs R: 13% walks, 11% K's, .151 ISO
                      Though, in his minor league career (AA and above):
                      vs L: 378 PA, 12.4% BB, 10.6% K
                      vs R: 975 PA, 13.8% BB, 11.2% K

                      So, maybe it's not as bad as it seems.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by filihok View Post
                        Well, all WAR really is those other stats, measured against average players, converted to runs and adjusted for replacement.
                        And there are different interpretations of WAR which makes me wonder how reliable it is... At any rate, I'm cautiously optimistic about Jaso's season.
                        I'm hoping he does as well as you all say he can do. : )
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                        • #13
                          Norris will start , I only hope Jaso has as many big hits as Kottares had...

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                          • #14
                            If the A's were smart they'd start Jaso against RHP. Wedge had him buried behind Olivo a good portion of last season. Jaso will start the season on a defending division winning team, while Olivo remains unemployed.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Zito75 View Post
                              And there are different interpretations of WAR which makes me wonder how reliable it is...
                              You don't have to wonder.
                              You can easily test it yourself

                              It's extremely reliable
                              http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/ar...-war-good-for/
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