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Rays ripped apart-how is the future?

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  • Rays ripped apart-how is the future?

    The rays of 10 who were really good have been ripped apart.

    -crawford is gone (2nd best player)
    -pena is gone (low average but still a 30 HR guy)
    -garza
    -soriano
    -balfour

    this is really hard. I think 11 won't be funny, certainly worse than 09. I don't even expect a winning record.

    do you think the rays can come back from this and be competitive again? or did they just have a golden generation and will now fall back to mediocrity like it happens to many small market teams that have a run?
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  • #2
    Projected lineup?

    1B Dan Johnson
    2B Sean Rodriguez/Ben Zobrist
    SS Reid Brignac
    3B Evan Longoria
    LF Desmond Jennings
    CF BJ Upton
    RF Matt Joyce
    C John Jaso
    DH Zobrist/Joyce/combo or maybe one of the many DH options still out there unsigned

    SP Price, Shields, Hellickson, Niemann, Davis

    RP McGee, Sonnanstine, Howell, Russell, Farnsworth, Peralta

    Hmmm not too bad...we will contend with pitching and defense again. Depth will be the issue in case of injuries, but we could certainly get 80-85 wins with this team.

    12 picks in the 1st 90 in the 2011 draft in a talent rich draft. It will be tough to continue to contend for the playoffs unless injuries hit the Red Sox or Yankees in any particular season, or unless Selig adds a 2nd wild card team. But that's the hand we are dealt in the AL East.
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    • #3
      Your pitching still looks competitive even with Garza being dealt.

      I'm confident your starting 1B will not be Dan Johnson - surely there is someone in the Minors - or even at your local slowpitch ballpark that can put up better numbers - he's just awful.
      WAR? Prove it!

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      • #4
        He's had a lot of big game-changing hits and HRs and RBIs for us in a limited role

        http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...t=.jsp&c_id=tb

        Maddon likes his .343 career OBP too, as the Rays like to work SPs deep into pitch counts. It remains to be seen what kind of player he becomes with increased playing time, but from all indications, he is our starting 1B for 2011. It could go the other way too, and his defense compared to what we had in Pena's will offset whatever offense he produces.
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        • #5
          how can you like a .343 OBP from a 1B man?

          league average is about .330 (this includes all middle IF guys, catchers and jeff francoeur). .343 is terrible for a 1B, especially if he has limited power like johnson. johnson would be a terrible 1B man. I hope maddon is intelligent enough to know how ball teams score runs (which is by getting on base and slugging and not by "clutch" or such stuff).

          Johnson would be by far the worst AL 1B if he really started. No average, little power and mediocre OBP. I don't know about his defense though.
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          • #6
            Well, scrap my projected lineup...Rays have signed both Johnny Damon and Manny Ramirez

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            Don't know how to react to this yet, it will be interesting to see how Joe Maddon can get into ManRam's parallel universe and get him to play and be motivated. For a team with not much money to throw around, it is very curious to spend it on a 2 guys approaching 40 years old. ManRam is obviously the DH, which must mean Damon plays LF, Jennings stays in AAA till after June 1 adding an extra year that we can keep him. At least it should provide some protection in the lineup for Longoria and Upton...
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            • #7
              My new projected lineup:
              1. BJ Upton CF
              2. Ben Zobrist 2B
              3. Evan Longoria 3B
              4. Manny Ramirez DH
              5. Dan Johnson 1B
              6. Matt Joyce RF
              7. Johnny Damon LF
              8. Reid Brignac SS
              9. John Jaso C




              Not bad at all if the two new guys produce.
              Last edited by Francoeurstein; 01-21-2011, 06:06 PM.
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              • #8
                With the flexibility/ depth in the OF, look for Dan Johnson to be platooned at 1B. Anyone else think that Damon or Manny can fill in there?
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                • #9
                  So...no more Sonnanstine as a SP?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by The Korean View Post
                    So...no more Sonnanstine as a SP?
                    Probably not, unless one of the 5 guys ahead of him gets hurt. Or Shields continues to suck.
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                    • #11
                      I like Hellickson. He's a potential 20 W, 200 K, 2.50 ERA guy. Niemann isn't all bad either.
                      WAR? Prove it!

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                      • #12
                        Aren't Jorge Cantu and Russell Branyan still on the market? I'm the Rays could pick up one of those guys in a one year deal.

                        Branyan still has decent pop and could easily put up 20-25 HRs and 50-60 RBIs in a full-time gig. Also, he'll complement Longoria and Manny by providing the left-handed support; however, not at the same level of support Pena provided.

                        Cantu is a decent hitter and works the glove pretty well. He also provides a backup option at the hot corner, if Longoria needs a day off.
                        Last edited by Cod; 01-22-2011, 11:22 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Both are former Rays, and I cannot think of anyone off the top of my head that this regime has brought back after deciding they had gotten all the use out of that player before his price went up. I think these 2 signings are it for the offense and Friedman will still continue to sift through RP FA's or just wait to see who gets cut in spring training to make some pickups then.
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                          • #14
                            I like the damon and manny signings. If anything they will at least bring some fans, which was not always the case in TB. and if they can produce in the 110 OPS+ range they will be valuable for the team.
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                            • #15
                              I'm excited for you guys - now that I live in ATL, I'd like to make a trip down to Florida to catch a game or two.
                              WAR? Prove it!

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