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  • #31
    The MAriners needed to take a chance that they would catch lightning in a bottler. They needed another body behind the playe for their system.
    Like Maple Syrup, Canada's evil oozes over the United States.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Chris from NY
      The MAriners needed to take a chance that they would catch lightning in a bottler. They needed another body behind the playe for their system.
      I agree, but that just goes to show the biggest busts of prospects will almost definitely still be taken by somebody. Quiroz proves that, and as bad as McGowan is now looking, he is still far more wanted then Quiroz. So there is no question of how being picked up on waivers if he is put on them.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Reed Johnson
        He'll be in the bullpen starting next year so the joke is on you.
        BTW McGowan was sent down to relieve in AAA when Chacin returned, instead of Davis Romero, since Davis Romero was "too good" to send down instead of McGowan. So now you can add Davis Romero to the names of people above McGowan in the pecking order as a reliever. So now to be a reliever with the Jays next year and avoid waivers McGowan is behind all of Ryan, League, Accardo, Frasor, Romero, Tallet, Downs, Rosario, atleast one free agent signing, that makes 9. That is even if Walker retires, Speier is gone, Scotty is gone, even with all 3 of those things happening he has need THREE guys to be injured now to make the team and avoid waivers.

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        • #34
          yes u went by the rules...that there's no more options on mcgowan...and the fact that all the pitchers that u listed had better lines than mcgowan this year...but so what? the kid's not even 25...what's halladay doing when he was in the early 20's? he screwed up some games and got sent down to AA...and now ur judging mcgowan by a few games and just his 2nd season? what happened to the value of potential? sure potential doesn't equal current/future return, but it's something that u try not to giveup...that's why a lot of the major league relievers (including some of the names that u listed below) never had the chance to receive the development like a SP/closer...they don't have the potential in their stuff...

          stats is a big part of the game, but not everything...i don't like players being overhyped either, but in this case mcgowan's not that overhyped compared to other players like zach duke, or compare to batters, alex rios a few years back...cuz mcgowan's popularity lies within the city of toronto where's he's one of the top talent in the farm...he's relatively unknown comapred to other young pitchers like felix hernandez...

          just look at how many ppl gave up on rios last year with all the no power and mediocre average comment...look at how many AB he got with the underachieving label written all over him...now u wanna give up mcgowan after less than 10 career starts?

          Originally posted by flying27
          BTW McGowan was sent down to relieve in AAA when Chacin returned, instead of Davis Romero, since Davis Romero was "too good" to send down instead of McGowan. So now you can add Davis Romero to the names of people above McGowan in the pecking order as a reliever. So now to be a reliever with the Jays next year and avoid waivers McGowan is behind all of Ryan, League, Accardo, Frasor, Romero, Tallet, Downs, Rosario, atleast one free agent signing, that makes 9. That is even if Walker retires, Speier is gone, Scotty is gone, even with all 3 of those things happening he has need THREE guys to be injured now to make the team and avoid waivers.

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          • #35
            Who cares if he is only going on 25. He has been surpassed by a whole pile of pitchers his own age or younger then him in the organization in just this year alone. Janssen, Taubenheim, Marcum, League, Accardo(although came over in trade), and even 23 year old Davis Romero who started the year in AA, have all passed him by this year. He is worthless to the organization so he is extremely easy to give up. They dont need him one iota with so many good prospects already, and a flock of kids his age or younger passing him this year.

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            • #36
              The point is not that he is less than 25 the point is many pitchers go through struggles like this early in the careers and many have managed to breakthrough and have great careeers. JP Riccardi himself has publically stated that he wants to keep him and keep him a lot longer beyond this season. He stated that after rejecting TB offer of Lugo for Mcgowan. Obviously he sees enough in him not to trade him for a player that could have really helped us if we were gearing for a playoff run and that time we were. Mcgowan is just learning to use his stuff just like the DOC did and i believe he will breakout of his struggles could i be wrong and he turns to crap absolutely but would you rather take a chance and put a guy with a 97MPH fastball with a better breaking ball in the pen or would you have a guy like tallet who throws 88-90 with worse breaking stuff. Mcgowan will begin next year as Long Man or Middle Relief guy unless he looked great in Spring and they decide to start him.

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              • #37
                I agree with keeping McGowan. But Lugo for McGowan? Who wouldn't have done that? I would've in a second!
                WAMCO!

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                • #38
                  Riccardi wouldn't do because he thinks mcgowan will become a key part of this program.

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                  • #39
                    The pen wont need McGowan. They already have Ryan, Downs, Davis Romero, League, Accardo, Frasor. He does not give them any benefit with quality pitchers like that already there. He obviously is not good enough to be a starter. There is no purpose he serves the team.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by RichmondHillPhoenix
                      I agree with keeping McGowan. But Lugo for McGowan? Who wouldn't have done that? I would've in a second!
                      JP shoots himself in the foot all the time with dumd decisions, or non-decisions. Sometimes he is not even thinking when he makes them.

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