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    I have a question for all of you Canadian baseball fans. Generally speaking, why did Montreal fail to support a major league baseball club, while it has flourished in Toronto? Is it simply a matter of Toronto having a larger population?

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    • #3
      My guess would be that Montreal didn't win or even come close to winning a world series title, even when they had the team in the mid-90s to potentially be able to do it.

      Toronto on the other hand has delivered 2 world series championships and multiple playoff appearences to their fans.

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      • #4
        I think the answer is that French speaking Montreal never really got the Expos. The Canadiens, "Les Habs" are the one and only true sporting love of French Montreal and do not forget that MTL is essentially a francophone city.

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        • #5
          LIsten, I live in Montreal, I went to their games. I am also a Canadiens fan. Let me tell you why Montreal failed. They failed because MLB was not loyal, there were so many scandals bechind the Expos franchise. After the 1994 season, it fell apart. Fans no longer went to their games, the stars were all shipped away. Then when JEFFREY LORIA took over, he drove a loved franchise from the trees to the ground. That's the reason why. Bud Selig drove it from the ground through the mud.

          I hope everyone will read this so they know that Montreal has fans, and we miss them, and we are tired of always being insulted! People say that Quebec has no respect for the great american pastime. THEY DONT BECAUSE SOME STUPID PERSON (Bud SELIG AND JEFFREY LORIA!) ELIMINATED MONTREAL!

          That is why the HABS do not respect this game!

          LISTEN TO ME!!!!

          Read my signature!!!!!!!!!
          Cristobal

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          • #6
            Don't discount that a large number of Expos fans relocated to Toronto in the early 80's when the Parti Québécois scared most english speaking residents out of Quebec. The Expos never marketed the French population well and their orginal fanbase was found in what is known as the West Island.

            Montreal was a good baseball town but the city ignored the Expos until the end of the hockey season. Throw in the fact that nobody in Quebec wanted to spend a night indoors in the short summer and the team had problems.

            But for anyone who ever heard a full Stade Olympique crowd sing the Happy Wanderer knew that the fans did care until the strike. After that their hearts were broken.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by RedSox2004
              Don't discount that a large number of Expos fans relocated to Toronto in the early 80's when the Parti Québécois scared most english speaking residents out of Quebec. The Expos never marketed the French population well and their orginal fanbase was found in what is known as the West Island.

              Montreal was a good baseball town but the city ignored the Expos until the end of the hockey season. Throw in the fact that nobody in Quebec wanted to spend a night indoors in the short summer and the team had problems.

              But for anyone who ever heard a full Stade Olympique crowd sing the Happy Wanderer knew that the fans did care until the strike. After that their hearts were broken.
              Thank you for feeling my pain RedSox. At least you still have your team!
              Cristobal

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              • #8
                I could have swung a dead cat and hit nothing but empty seats at every Expo game I ever attended. The Expos had some great teams and some great players. I'll never understand why they couldn't put more fans in the seats.
                "I think about baseball when I wake up in the morning. I think about it all day and I dream about it at night. The only time I don't think about it is when I'm playing it."
                Carl Yastrzemski

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by runningshoes53
                  I could have swung a dead cat and hit nothing but empty seats at every Expo game I ever attended. The Expos had some great teams and some great players. I'll never understand why they couldn't put more fans in the seats.
                  Maybe what I had written could answer some of your questions :

                  LIsten, I live in Montreal, I went to their games. I am also a Canadiens fan. Let me tell you why Montreal failed. They failed because MLB was not loyal, there were so many scandals bechind the Expos franchise. After the 1994 season, it fell apart. Fans no longer went to their games, the stars were all shipped away. Then when JEFFREY LORIA took over, he drove a loved franchise from the trees to the ground. That's the reason why. Bud Selig drove it from the ground through the mud.

                  I hope everyone will read this so they know that Montreal has fans, and we miss them, and we are tired of always being insulted! People say that Quebec has no respect for the great american pastime. THEY DONT BECAUSE SOME STUPID PERSON (Bud SELIG AND JEFFREY LORIA!) ELIMINATED MONTREAL!

                  That is why the HABS do not respect this game!

                  LISTEN TO ME!!!!

                  Read my signature!!!!!!!!!h
                  Cristobal

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                  • #10
                    I started going to Montreal in the early 80's. I've been to approximately 30 games and I remember the largest announced attendance was around 7,000. I remember one series against the Cubs with a total attendance of around 10,000. I don't doubt some were trying to get that team out of there, but I don't think the average fan was aware of this. It must have been tough on some of those players trying to get excited in a consistantly empty stadium.
                    "I think about baseball when I wake up in the morning. I think about it all day and I dream about it at night. The only time I don't think about it is when I'm playing it."
                    Carl Yastrzemski

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by wilkerson_rulz
                      I hope everyone will read this so they know that Montreal has fans, and we miss them, and we are tired of always being insulted! People say that Quebec has no respect for the great american pastime. THEY DONT BECAUSE SOME STUPID PERSON (Bud SELIG AND JEFFREY LORIA!) ELIMINATED MONTREAL!
                      I've never heard anyone say there was no respect for baseball. I just think the Expos, for whatever reason, never generated the interest among the Quebecois. I know there was a hard core base of great fans, but unfortunatey that doesn't fill seats.
                      "I think about baseball when I wake up in the morning. I think about it all day and I dream about it at night. The only time I don't think about it is when I'm playing it."
                      Carl Yastrzemski

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by runningshoes53
                        I've never heard anyone say there was no respect for baseball. I just think the Expos, for whatever reason, never generated the interest among the Quebecois. I know there was a hard core base of great fans, but unfortunatey that doesn't fill seats.
                        I live in Quebec. Some people tell me they have no respect for baseball. And I've read and hear and saw people who say: ''The quebecois have no respect for our pastime''
                        Cristobal

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                        • #13
                          Those people obviously don't know what they're talking about. I think liking and respecting and even undersatnding are totally different things.

                          The game simply never caught on there, and if the owners and the province had really ever understood baseball fans, they would never have moved the Expos into that stadium.

                          Think back to when the Royals were popular. They played in an intimate amosphere where the fans were close to the game. You can't say the same about Olympic Stadium. It was a horrible place to watch a game. It was ok for guys like you and me who would sit in **** if meant seeing a game, but the average fan never really got the feel for the game.
                          "I think about baseball when I wake up in the morning. I think about it all day and I dream about it at night. The only time I don't think about it is when I'm playing it."
                          Carl Yastrzemski

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                          • #14
                            From 1979 through 1983 the Expos topped 2 million fans four times, while the NL average never reached 1.8 million.

                            In 1983 2,320,651 fans turned up at Stade Olympique compared to a league average of 1,795,774.

                            Total nosedive the next season: 1,606,531 Montrealers compared to the NL avg of 1,731,786. The Expos had below-league-average attendances from then on.

                            What happened in 1984?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by westsidegrounds
                              From 1979 through 1983 the Expos topped 2 million fans four times, while the NL average never reached 1.8 million.

                              In 1983 2,320,651 fans turned up at Stade Olympique compared to a league average of 1,795,774.

                              Total nosedive the next season: 1,606,531 Montrealers compared to the NL avg of 1,731,786. The Expos had below-league-average attendances from then on.

                              What happened in 1984?
                              They lost their playoff edge.
                              The Q: Can the Cubs hold a 6-5 lead with 2 outs and nobody on in the 9th?

                              The A: No

                              ***********My Rant on Bud Selig***********
                              Selig is like a stray pigeon. Pigeons are too self-absorbed to care about anyone else. They poo on people they don't like; they poo on people they don't even know. The only real difference between Selig and a pigeon is that Selig intends to bury our heritage, our traditions, and our culture,

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