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  • Chris from NY
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    I was glad when Hentgen decided to shut it down when he did instead of playing out the season. Could you imagine him trying to finish out a season like that?

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  • Richmond Hill Phoenix
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    Pat Hentgen, in his '04 return? That was worse, but management didn't give him as long a leash.

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  • Big_Mac
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    i can never remember a time since i've been watching baseball that you honestly knew your team would lose when a certian guy was pitching. i mean there are guys that are 'well, we'll probably lose but maybe he'll pull a rabbit out of the hat'. but towers was 'crap, we'll lose, no questions asked'

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  • PJ-34
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    That was actually hilarious what he did haha.

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  • Big_Mac
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    lol richmond. no more chances for towers imo, i dont want a repeat of a 0-23 start.

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  • Defense Counts!
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    Thanks, Phoenix.

    The explanations given sorta kinda maybe make sense, but I'm still not convinced.

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  • Richmond Hill Phoenix
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    To throw my 2 cents in, I'll give you my depth chart:
    1. Halladay
    2. Burnett
    3. Chacin
    4. Ohka
    5. Thomson
    6. Marcum
    7. Zambrano (depends completley on how he recovers)
    8. ...
    9. ...
    10. ...
    11. ...
    12. ...
    13. ...
    14. ...
    15. Towers


    Seriously though, I think that Marcum could make the starting rotation if he performs well in ST. But maybe he won't, and that's why I have Thomson at #5. Marcum is liable to go through a slump, as last season's success could be chalked up to the fact that no one had seen him before.

    I am confident that Ohka can perform pretty much how Ted Lilly did last season. Lilly was either on or off, depending on the day. I think that Ohka will be more consistent. I don't think he'll have as many great outings, but I don't think he'll have as many horrible outings either.

    As for Josh Towers, I really hope he can pull it together. But if not, I don't want to see him in the majors. No more chances for this guy after ST ends.

    Originally posted by Defense Counts!
    Can anyone direct me to a professional in the baseball world who can give an adaquate explanation for five man rotations, when most teams have trouble coming up with even four decent starters? I'm not buying the 'overwork' theory. Hell, once upon a time teams used 3 man rotations!
    I've had the same question for a while now. I've gotten a few good answers. I'll try to find the thread and post it for you.

    Found it. Here is the link.

    Another answer I've received is this. Back when there were 4-man rotations, kids had many fewer activities to do. Nowadays kids play soccer, go to music lessons, play computer, watch TV, and also happen to play baseball. However, before the advent of TV and the internet, baseball was one of the only activities kids had. They would play every day in the summer, and would always be throwing a ball around. Guys like Babe Ruth grew up always throwing a baseball. Throwing with friends, throwing at school, or throwing at the side of a barn. And they wouldn't throw sliders, or curveballs. Just straight fastballs.

    Nowadays kids rarely have time to play the games, let alone play a pick-up a ball and throw in the back yard. They are carted around to their various activities, and don't develop the same pure arm strength. Add to that the emphasis placed on breaking balls at a young age, and the other stuff discussed in the thread above, and I'm pretty sure that that is the reason that there are no more 4-man rotations.
    Last edited by Richmond Hill Phoenix; 02-03-2007, 11:23 AM.

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  • Big_Mac
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    right now i'd go with this:

    1. halladay
    2. burnett
    3. chacin
    4. okha
    5. --OPEN-- (marcum, jansenn, thomson, zambrano)

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  • PJ-34
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    [QUOTE=Thomson has experience and used to be a very reliable starter.[/QUOTE]

    And as for that....huh?? he sure doesx have alot of experience..at losing every game!! 60 some and 90 some career??? career ERA just under 5!!! what is that? not being sarcastic but Marcum realy does look like he can be more reliable than him.

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  • PJ-34
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    Well now we have these options

    1.Halladay
    2.Burnett
    3.Ohka, Chacin
    4.Chacin, Ohka
    5.Thomson, Towers, Marcum

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  • wilkerson_rulz-06
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    Well, we can scratch that idea now:

    1. Roy Halladay
    2. AJ Burnett
    3. Gustavo Chacin
    4. Shawn Marcum
    5. John Thomson

    Thomson has experience and used to be a very reliable starter.

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  • Chris from NY
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    Originally posted by Defense Counts!
    Can anyone direct me to a professional in the baseball world who can give an adaquate explanation for five man rotations, when most teams have trouble coming up with even four decent starters? I'm not buying the 'overwork' theory. Hell, once upon a time teams used 3 man rotations!
    I wish I could. I am in favour of 4 man rotations, however, I think a 5 man rotation is in the best interest of the Jays right now. I think part of the reason for 5 man rotations though, is that pitchers throw much harder and faster today. It is much easier for a pitcher to hurt his elbow or shoulder nowadays, and teams want to prevent expensive pitchers wrecking their arms.

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  • Defense Counts!
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    Can anyone direct me to a professional in the baseball world who can give an adaquate explanation for five man rotations, when most teams have trouble coming up with even four decent starters? I'm not buying the 'overwork' theory. Hell, once upon a time teams used 3 man rotations!

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  • PJ-34
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    Well then that solves one starter now we have 1.Halladay
    2.Burnett
    3.Chacin
    4.Marcum
    5.FUUUUUUUU###$$$$

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  • Richmond Hill Phoenix
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    Marcum looks like a pretty good option. He did poorly in the beginning of the season, when he was pitching from the bullpen. But as a starter (from July 18th onward), he was pretty good. He had some bad outings, but that is to be expected from a rookie.

    His record was 3-4, and during his stretch as a starter, he had a few stellar starts including: 5 shutout innings against Texas, two 6 inning performances of one earned run each, and an 8 inning shutout performance against Boston.

    He looks like he could break out this season. He has experience now, and might not have some of the bad outings that can be attributed to rookie inexperience. Maybe he can be the next Gustavo Chacin.

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