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  • Richmond Hill Phoenix
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    Originally posted by Woodman19 View Post
    I got 3 Jay's fans from another forum to sign up here, and they are fairly active posters on the other one. I think we will catch up in no time!
    Good to hear. I've enjoyed the level of discussion lately and more quality posters are always a good thing.

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  • aqib
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    Originally posted by Greg Maddux's Biggest Fan View Post
    Yup, thats absolutely true. I just think the urban decay think may be relevant as it pertains to safety and overall 'appeal' of areas outside of their living quarters; a relatively minor consideration I might add.

    The real advantage may lie in the fact that the Jays derive most of their revenues in CDN dollars and could tempt big time talent with paychecks in CDN dollars. I truly think the greenback is going to lose much of its value in devaluation in the next years - maybe even in the next two. Players seeking to retain the most value on their contract will seek safety outside of US denominated assets.
    Well revenues are the big key. We used to draw 4 million fans a year. We haven't hit 2.4 million since Clemmens was with us.

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  • Woodman19
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    Originally posted by Richmond Hill Phoenix View Post
    Right, I completley agree. Either way, we're in good shape if the greenback tanks.

    Next up: The Phillies.
    I got 3 Jay's fans from another forum to sign up here, and they are fairly active posters on the other one. I think we will catch up in no time!

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  • Richmond Hill Phoenix
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    Right, I completley agree. Either way, we're in good shape if the greenback tanks.

    Originally posted by Woodman19 View Post
    P.S. We finally surpassed the San Franciso forum today for number of total posts!
    Next up: The Phillies.

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  • Greg Maddux's Biggest Fan
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    Originally posted by Richmond Hill Phoenix View Post
    I'm not entirely sure, but I assume that it's written in the CBA that paychecks are to be made out in US funds. Even if it were possible under the CBA, I'm not sure that the appeal of being paid Canadian dollars would be enough to be a deciding factor.

    The biggest impact of a devalued US dollar (I'm not saying that it will happen, just speaking in the hypothetical) for the Jays would likely be that their salary costs would seem to drop. If the Canadian dollar goes from being on-par with the US dollar (where it essentially is today) to significantly higher than that this year, the USD salaries will cost less in Canadian dollars.

    If I'm not mistaken, it is this effect that has helped Canadian hockey teams as of late.
    Im not sure it's written in the CBA that players must be paid in US funds, but even if it isn't during a devaluation the Jays would have significantly more money to spend. In either instance, the Jays should become an increasingly attractive market because of the increased money to spend or ability to pay in CDN dollars.

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  • Woodman19
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    Originally posted by Richmond Hill Phoenix View Post
    I'm not entirely sure, but I assume that it's written in the CBA that paychecks are to be made out in US funds. Even if it were possible under the CBA, I'm not sure that the appeal of being paid Canadian dollars would be enough to be a deciding factor.

    The biggest impact of a devalued US dollar (I'm not saying that it will happen, just speaking in the hypothetical) for the Jays would likely be that their salary costs would seem to drop. If the Canadian dollar goes from being on-par with the US dollar (where it essentially is today) to significantly higher than that this year, the USD salaries will cost less in Canadian dollars.

    If I'm not mistaken, it is this effect that has helped Canadian hockey teams as of late.
    Thats 100% Correct


    P.S. We finally surpassed the San Franciso forum today for number of total posts!

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  • Richmond Hill Phoenix
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    Originally posted by Greg Maddux's Biggest Fan View Post
    The real advantage may lie in the fact that the Jays derive most of their revenues in CDN dollars and could tempt big time talent with paychecks in CDN dollars. I truly think the greenback is going to lose much of its value in devaluation in the next years - maybe even in the next two. Players seeking to retain the most value on their contract will seek safety outside of US denominated assets.
    I'm not entirely sure, but I assume that it's written in the CBA that paychecks are to be made out in US funds. Even if it were possible under the CBA, I'm not sure that the appeal of being paid Canadian dollars would be enough to be a deciding factor.

    The biggest impact of a devalued US dollar (I'm not saying that it will happen, just speaking in the hypothetical) for the Jays would likely be that their salary costs would seem to drop. If the Canadian dollar goes from being on-par with the US dollar (where it essentially is today) to significantly higher than that this year, the USD salaries will cost less in Canadian dollars.

    If I'm not mistaken, it is this effect that has helped Canadian hockey teams as of late.

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  • aqib
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    Originally posted by Greg Maddux's Biggest Fan View Post
    Yup, thats absolutely true. I just think the urban decay think may be relevant as it pertains to safety and overall 'appeal' of areas outside of their living quarters; a relatively minor consideration I might add.

    The real advantage may lie in the fact that the Jays derive most of their revenues in CDN dollars and could tempt big time talent with paychecks in CDN dollars. I truly think the greenback is going to lose much of its value in devaluation in the next years - maybe even in the next two. Players seeking to retain the most value on their contract will seek safety outside of US denominated assets.
    I don't mean to sound arrogant but I don't think MLB players think in those terms. Otherwise you would see guys taking less money to play in markets with lower costs of living. For example why would CC Sabathia take $23 million in NY vs $20 million in Milwaukee? A $1 million house in Milwaukee will cost you $15 million in NY.

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  • Greg Maddux's Biggest Fan
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    Originally posted by aqib View Post
    I don't think the freefall the US has been in for the past 2-3 years will continue into a death spiral. Also I don't think players factor in economic health. Urban decay is not an issue since they live in the best neighborhoods in every city. Like most Indians (other then the guys who just came up) don't live downtown they have mansions in Westlake (a ritzy suburb on the westside right on the Lake). Every MLB market has ritzy areas and night life.
    Yup, thats absolutely true. I just think the urban decay think may be relevant as it pertains to safety and overall 'appeal' of areas outside of their living quarters; a relatively minor consideration I might add.

    The real advantage may lie in the fact that the Jays derive most of their revenues in CDN dollars and could tempt big time talent with paychecks in CDN dollars. I truly think the greenback is going to lose much of its value in devaluation in the next years - maybe even in the next two. Players seeking to retain the most value on their contract will seek safety outside of US denominated assets.

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  • aqib
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    Originally posted by Greg Maddux's Biggest Fan View Post
    I haven't heard anybody talk about this, but I think Toronto could become a destination of choice by many players very shortly. First of all, for the reason Woodman mentioned, including the fact that many U.S. cities are semi-dying because of huge budget deficits by the individual states (see Detroit/Cleveland). This may be my interest in economics cropping up, but I think the U.S. is in quite a bit of trouble financially. And why this doesn't mean the players won't get paid, it does mean more decay of big urban centers in major U.S. cities, including increased kidnapping and violent incidents are in the cards. This may make those cities less attractive the players relative to Toronto.

    As well, I know the U.S. dollar is in DEEP TROUBLE and, without getting too deep here, the greenback is at risk for default or devaluation in the next 5-10 years. While Canada has its own debt issues, we're much better position because of less debt and more resources to keep running on a normal economy much longer. The end result: our dollar is going to be above parity this year and probably 33% or more stronger than the greenback in a couple of years. We just might see players seek to get paid in CANADIAN dollars to avoid a constantly devalued greenback and ownership could exploit this as a bargaining chip to bring in great players. This is not fantasy - this is happening as we speak and will continue to play out.

    Toronto as a destination is in great position.
    I don't think the freefall the US has been in for the past 2-3 years will continue into a death spiral. Also I don't think players factor in economic health. Urban decay is not an issue since they live in the best neighborhoods in every city. Like most Indians (other then the guys who just came up) don't live downtown they have mansions in Westlake (a ritzy suburb on the westside right on the Lake). Every MLB market has ritzy areas and night life.

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  • aqib
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    Originally posted by Big_Mac View Post
    You know, I never really got it. To single out a specific example, look at what type of players the Raptors bring in. They court players from all different cultures and imo, have the biggest following in Toronto following the Leafs. I honestly just don't know why, maybe they don't use the pitch or maybe the whole 'international city' thing isn't as big of a deal to forgein players as we think.
    Well the Raptors almost have to cour European players because it just doesn't appeak African American NBA players for whatever reason.

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  • babaganoosh
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    Originally posted by Greg Maddux's Biggest Fan View Post
    Kinda crazy Chapman gets twice as much as Stephen Strasburg, despite not being nearly as polished and much more speculative in outcome. Its not like Chapman put up great numbers in the Cuban League either. I would have loved to get him but $30M seems awfully excessive. The guy is only pure tools at this point, while Strasburg is pure tools AND A plus-plus curveball and great control. Good luck to the Reds with harnessing that ability.
    Agreed completely. Nothing else to add.

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  • Greg Maddux's Biggest Fan
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    Originally posted by Woodman19 View Post
    This kind of justifies Boras who goes into negotiations saying "if he were a free agent xxx is how much he would get" then we go and prove him right...
    Yup, he's absolutely right on that point. No doubt amateur draftees gets shafted in terms of pay vis a vis international free agents. They still make quite a hefty sum however so I will refrain from shedding any tears.

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  • Woodman19
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    This kind of justifies Boras who goes into negotiations saying "if he were a free agent xxx is how much he would get" then we go and prove him right...

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  • Greg Maddux's Biggest Fan
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    Kinda crazy Chapman gets twice as much as Stephen Strasburg, despite not being nearly as polished and much more speculative in outcome. Its not like Chapman put up great numbers in the Cuban League either. I would have loved to get him but $30M seems awfully excessive. The guy is only pure tools at this point, while Strasburg is pure tools AND A plus-plus curveball and great control. Good luck to the Reds with harnessing that ability.
    Last edited by Greg Maddux's Biggest Fan; 01-10-2010, 01:07 PM.

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