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  • It's blatant discrimination, you're right.

    Another part of the institutionalized racism against left-handers is the very rule of having to go around the bases in counterclockwise fashion. There will not be basic justice for left-handers, really, until the rule is changed and games alternate base directions every other day (as they do for horseracing in Australia).

    I know my proposal may sound radical now, but people were saying the same thing about ending discrimination under Jim Crow, That it was too radical and that the discriminated class should just "accept" the way things are. It really is identical to those who made the separate but equal argument in Plessy v. Ferguson: "Lefthanders have to throw to the exact same base as righthanders, they just have to do it with a different arm". Never mind that that particular accomodation is far worse for lefthanders than for righthanders.
    Originally posted by Cucamongadan View Post
    This thread makes me want to read all the opinions from 1946 and earlier why it would never work to have a negro in the major leagues.

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    • Originally posted by Brownieand45sfan View Post
      But this may be simply a "self-fullfilling prophecy". If more coaches had the enlightened view of TyrusRaymondCobb, instead of the Stone Age thinking of most coaches, I am sure there would be exactly as many left-handers at those positions as there are lefthanders in the general population.
      I don't think we can lay it all on the coaches, I'm in agreement there are probably a number of coaches that have discouraged some LL players, LH throwers from catching.
      i wouldn't be surprised if a good anumber of LL players, even at that young age are aware that there are few if any LH throwing catchers beyond LL.

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      • Originally posted by Brownieand45sfan View Post
        It's blatant discrimination, you're right.

        Another part of the institutionalized racism against left-handers is the very rule of having to go around the bases in counterclockwise fashion. There will not be basic justice for left-handers, really, until the rule is changed and games alternate base directions every other day (as they do for horseracing in Australia).

        I know my proposal may sound radical now, but people were saying the same thing about ending discrimination under Jim Crow, That it was too radical and that the discriminated class should just "accept" the way things are. It really is identical to those who made the separate but equal argument in Plessy v. Ferguson: "Lefthanders have to throw to the exact same base as righthanders, they just have to do it with a different arm". Never mind that that particular accomodation is far worse for lefthanders than for righthanders.
        I doubt, I doubt very much that baseball will even "consider" alternating base running direction, not going to happen.
        Two completely different worlds, the mechanics of a baseball game to a horse race. Simple deal to change direction of a horse race.

        How do you compare baseball finally allowing blacks to play MLB, to bringing justice to LH throwers by making a drastic change in the game.
        Blacks were kept out of MLB by design, it was conscious effort, goal by MLB and some owners.
        No one ever said lets set up the game this way and keep it this way, make it more difficult for LH throwers to fill certain positions.

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        • Originally posted by Brownieand45sfan View Post
          Another part of the institutionalized racism against left-handers is the very rule of having to go around the bases in counterclockwise fashion.
          What about the fact that lefty batters have an advantage at the plate, since they're closer to 1st base?

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          • Handedness ain't a race.
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            • Originally posted by OmartgSS View Post
              Handedness ain't a race.
              Damn, there goes my arguments. Though I kicked butt at 12-13 Y.O. lefty catching

              And oh, it's really more about culture not race, as any given "race" has multiple cultures.

              "Race" is a really dumbed down version of class+culture these days.

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              • Here is a poster called CatchingCoach who believes that lefties could catch. he has a catching camp and coached several college players and is highly regarded here in the forum. he said that most of the perceived obstacles of lefties wouldn't be a problem if the catcher has sound mechanics. he believes that lefties don't become catchers mostly because of tradition.

                http://www.catchingcamp.com/blog/lef...st-aint-right/
                Last edited by dominik; 01-09-2011, 07:28 AM.
                I now have my own non commercial blog about training for batspeed and power using my training experience in baseball and track and field.

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                • "Philadelphia Press says Hiland is slow and awkward on second on account of being left-handed."
                  - Lancaster Daily Intelligencer, August 24, 1885.

                  Rookie John Hiland played 3 games for Philadelphia-NL in 1885 going 0 for 9, and making 2 errors. Here is an example of contemporary views about a lefty playing second base.
                  "He's tougher than a railroad sandwich."
                  "You'se Got The Eye Of An Eagle."

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                  • Originally posted by TonyK View Post
                    "Philadelphia Press says Hiland is slow and awkward on second on account of being left-handed." - Lancaster Daily Intelligencer, August 24, 1885.

                    Rookie John Hiland played 3 games for Philadelphia-NL in 1885 going 0 for 9, and making 2 errors. Here is an example of contemporary views about a lefty playing second base.
                    Easy to see why, left handed second baseman at a great disadvantage, the throw to first base in particular.

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                    • Being a former lefty catcher, I tease my friend every so often that if he only let me pitch when we were LL age, perhaps I would be making $10 million a year as a lefty specialist. I could be pitching 1/3 an inning a game instead of being discouraged that I couldn't catch.
                      Last edited by thefeckcampaign; 05-19-2012, 03:47 AM.
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                      • Originally posted by RuthMayBond View Post
                        I'm guessing these guys might have been a little athletic

                        Ron Guidry
                        George Sisler
                        Rickey Henderson
                        . . .
                        Bobby Shantz

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