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  • Death to Crawling Things
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    Originally posted by RuthMayBond View Post
    I'm guessing these guys might have been a little athletic

    Ron Guidry
    George Sisler
    Rickey Henderson
    . . .
    Bobby Shantz

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  • thefeckcampaign
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    Being a former lefty catcher, I tease my friend every so often that if he only let me pitch when we were LL age, perhaps I would be making $10 million a year as a lefty specialist. I could be pitching 1/3 an inning a game instead of being discouraged that I couldn't catch.
    Last edited by thefeckcampaign; 05-19-2012, 02:47 AM.

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  • SHOELESSJOE3
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    Originally posted by TonyK View Post
    "Philadelphia Press says Hiland is slow and awkward on second on account of being left-handed." - Lancaster Daily Intelligencer, August 24, 1885.

    Rookie John Hiland played 3 games for Philadelphia-NL in 1885 going 0 for 9, and making 2 errors. Here is an example of contemporary views about a lefty playing second base.
    Easy to see why, left handed second baseman at a great disadvantage, the throw to first base in particular.

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  • TonyK
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    "Philadelphia Press says Hiland is slow and awkward on second on account of being left-handed."
    - Lancaster Daily Intelligencer, August 24, 1885.

    Rookie John Hiland played 3 games for Philadelphia-NL in 1885 going 0 for 9, and making 2 errors. Here is an example of contemporary views about a lefty playing second base.

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  • dominik
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    Here is a poster called CatchingCoach who believes that lefties could catch. he has a catching camp and coached several college players and is highly regarded here in the forum. he said that most of the perceived obstacles of lefties wouldn't be a problem if the catcher has sound mechanics. he believes that lefties don't become catchers mostly because of tradition.

    http://www.catchingcamp.com/blog/lef...st-aint-right/
    Last edited by dominik; 01-09-2011, 06:28 AM.

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  • CandlestickBum
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    Originally posted by OmartgSS View Post
    Handedness ain't a race.
    Damn, there goes my arguments. Though I kicked butt at 12-13 Y.O. lefty catching

    And oh, it's really more about culture not race, as any given "race" has multiple cultures.

    "Race" is a really dumbed down version of class+culture these days.

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  • OmartgSS
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    Handedness ain't a race.

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  • ipitch
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    Originally posted by Brownieand45sfan View Post
    Another part of the institutionalized racism against left-handers is the very rule of having to go around the bases in counterclockwise fashion.
    What about the fact that lefty batters have an advantage at the plate, since they're closer to 1st base?

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  • SHOELESSJOE3
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    Originally posted by Brownieand45sfan View Post
    It's blatant discrimination, you're right.

    Another part of the institutionalized racism against left-handers is the very rule of having to go around the bases in counterclockwise fashion. There will not be basic justice for left-handers, really, until the rule is changed and games alternate base directions every other day (as they do for horseracing in Australia).

    I know my proposal may sound radical now, but people were saying the same thing about ending discrimination under Jim Crow, That it was too radical and that the discriminated class should just "accept" the way things are. It really is identical to those who made the separate but equal argument in Plessy v. Ferguson: "Lefthanders have to throw to the exact same base as righthanders, they just have to do it with a different arm". Never mind that that particular accomodation is far worse for lefthanders than for righthanders.
    I doubt, I doubt very much that baseball will even "consider" alternating base running direction, not going to happen.
    Two completely different worlds, the mechanics of a baseball game to a horse race. Simple deal to change direction of a horse race.

    How do you compare baseball finally allowing blacks to play MLB, to bringing justice to LH throwers by making a drastic change in the game.
    Blacks were kept out of MLB by design, it was conscious effort, goal by MLB and some owners.
    No one ever said lets set up the game this way and keep it this way, make it more difficult for LH throwers to fill certain positions.

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  • SHOELESSJOE3
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    Originally posted by Brownieand45sfan View Post
    But this may be simply a "self-fullfilling prophecy". If more coaches had the enlightened view of TyrusRaymondCobb, instead of the Stone Age thinking of most coaches, I am sure there would be exactly as many left-handers at those positions as there are lefthanders in the general population.
    I don't think we can lay it all on the coaches, I'm in agreement there are probably a number of coaches that have discouraged some LL players, LH throwers from catching.
    i wouldn't be surprised if a good anumber of LL players, even at that young age are aware that there are few if any LH throwing catchers beyond LL.

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  • Brownieand45sfan
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    It's blatant discrimination, you're right.

    Another part of the institutionalized racism against left-handers is the very rule of having to go around the bases in counterclockwise fashion. There will not be basic justice for left-handers, really, until the rule is changed and games alternate base directions every other day (as they do for horseracing in Australia).

    I know my proposal may sound radical now, but people were saying the same thing about ending discrimination under Jim Crow, That it was too radical and that the discriminated class should just "accept" the way things are. It really is identical to those who made the separate but equal argument in Plessy v. Ferguson: "Lefthanders have to throw to the exact same base as righthanders, they just have to do it with a different arm". Never mind that that particular accomodation is far worse for lefthanders than for righthanders.
    Originally posted by Cucamongadan View Post
    This thread makes me want to read all the opinions from 1946 and earlier why it would never work to have a negro in the major leagues.

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  • Brownieand45sfan
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    But this may be simply a "self-fullfilling prophecy". If more coaches had the enlightened view of TyrusRaymondCobb, instead of the Stone Age thinking of most coaches, I am sure there would be exactly as many left-handers at those positions as there are lefthanders in the general population.

    Originally posted by SHOELESSJOE3 View Post
    There doesn''t seem to be a call for LH catchers in the upper tier of the game.
    .

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  • SHOELESSJOE3
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    Originally posted by RuthMayBond View Post
    Catching is one thing. If you let lefties try 3B, SS or 2B and one of them keeps with it out of stubbornness or to "keep up" with others, they may be setting themselves up for frustration.
    Noble effort on your part applaud that, but how far can they go being a left handed catcher, moving up the ladder from LL. Of course they are still very young and may want to make changes.
    There doesn''t seem to be a call for LH catchers in the upper tier of the game.
    Anyone out there know if there are any LH throwing catchers at the college level.

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  • Brownieand45sfan
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    Originally posted by TyrusRaymondCobb View Post
    I coach LL and refuse to discourage any of my players if they want to try a particular position. If lefties want to have a go at catching, let them have a go at catching. If they find out they don't like it, at least they've tried it.
    You, Sir, are a Prince among Men.

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  • RuthMayBond
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    Originally posted by TyrusRaymondCobb View Post
    I coach LL and refuse to discourage any of my players if they want to try a particular position. If lefties want to have a go at catching, let them have a go at catching. If they find out they don't like it, at least they've tried it.
    Catching is one thing. If you let lefties try 3B, SS or 2B and one of them keeps with it out of stubbornness or to "keep up" with others, they may be setting themselves up for frustration.

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