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anyone know much about the early career of joe cantillon? - born in 1861 - so he would have been 20 in 1881 - i can pick up his career from about 1889 - anyone know which leagues he played in before that?
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Bill O'Neal's American Association book says he was a popular second baseman in San Francisco. No idea if this was before or after 1889.Originally posted by bkmckenna -
i know cantillon was playing in california in 1892-3 as a 2B for oakland
1889 - peoria in interstate association
1890 - st. paul in western association
1891- ??Comment
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From "Walter Johnson, Baseball's Big Train" by Henry W. Thomas:
"Pongo Joe," as he was universally known, was playing professionally by the age of 17 and for the next 15 years bounced around various minor leagues and the "outlaw" California League as a good-field, no-hit second baseman and occasional manager.Cantillon built a reputation for the development of young talent, reportedly an influence early in the careers of both Amos Rusie and Rube Waddell, probably the games fastest pitchers to that point.
And of course it was Cantillon that sent out Cliff Blankenship to Idaho to secure the services of a young phenom named Walter Johnson.
Cantillon managed the Sens for 3 seasons, here is a link to his Baseball Ref page:
My eyes perceive the present, but my roots are imbedded deeply in the grandeur of the past. "Chief Meyers"
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cantillon was a second baseman with really just scattered manager experience by the time rusie came up - i wonder what influence on his career thomas was referrring to??
i really can't see how cantillion met up with waddell - maybe in the western league in 1899 but by then cantillon was an umpire??Comment
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Joe Cantillon .........
"i really can't see how cantillion met up with waddell"
Waddell, by 1910, was back in the minors. He won 20 games for Joe Cantillon's Minneapolis (American Association) club in 1911.
This from the base ball library.'34 TC winner
13 seasons 100 RBI (ML record-3 tied)
13 seasons 100 Runs Scored (AL record)
Only player with 500+ (509) RBI in 3 seasons
184 RBI in '31, (AL record)
(5) 400+TBs in a season, (ML record)
23 GS (ML record)
Stole home 15 times
(8) 200+ hit seasons - 3rd All-Time
Gehrig, Helton & Klein are the only players to have 100 extra-base hits in a season more than once.
(2) Hit for the cycle
150 RBI 7 times (ML record)
7 WS - .361 BA,10 HR's,35 RBI,OBP .477,SLG.731Comment
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how does that show cantillon's influence "early in waddell's career?"Originally posted by GhostofGehrigComment
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It doesn't ...
Originally posted by bkmckenna
I misunderstood what you were asking.'34 TC winner
13 seasons 100 RBI (ML record-3 tied)
13 seasons 100 Runs Scored (AL record)
Only player with 500+ (509) RBI in 3 seasons
184 RBI in '31, (AL record)
(5) 400+TBs in a season, (ML record)
23 GS (ML record)
Stole home 15 times
(8) 200+ hit seasons - 3rd All-Time
Gehrig, Helton & Klein are the only players to have 100 extra-base hits in a season more than once.
(2) Hit for the cycle
150 RBI 7 times (ML record)
7 WS - .361 BA,10 HR's,35 RBI,OBP .477,SLG.731Comment
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