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  • Sincere Thanks

    Baseball prior to 1900...magnificent, romantic, poetic... and at the same time... savage, brutal, beautiful. Anson, Kelly, McGraw and the rest...

    Thanks to you all for keeping the game and its players alive and vital.

    -Chris

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    • Originally posted by RuthMayBond View Post
      They're in order, and your boy Ewing needs more PT
      You could at least platoon him, couldn't you. He was able to be plugged into multiple positions.

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      • Dear Bill and Friends:

        I realize he was no earth-shattering hurler, and the development of the curveball would have come about sooner or later, but how does "Candy"
        Cummings rate among you exberts?

        Regards,

        Chris

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        • Originally posted by Chris Jones View Post
          I realize he was no earth-shattering hurler, and the development of the curve ball would have come about sooner or later, but how does "Candy"
          Cummings rate among you experts?
          I don't rank him. He was just a pioneer.

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          • Has there ever been a top 19C list series of threads, by position?
            "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
            "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
            "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
            "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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            • 1. Dan Brouthers
              2. Cap Anson
              3. Ed Delahanty
              4. Buck Ewing
              5. Billy Hamilton
              6. Roger Connor
              7. Jesse Burkett
              8. Jake Beckley
              9. Bid McPhee
              10. King Kelly
              11. Jim O'Rourke
              12. Ross Barnes
              13. Joe Start
              14. Sam Thompson
              15. Willie Keeler
              Last edited by bluesky5; 04-04-2012, 09:26 AM.
              "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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              • Originally posted by Brad Harris View Post
                Has there ever been a top 19C list series of threads, by position?
                I do my annual "greatest player by position" in the history forum. I wouldn't mind doing one exclusively for 19th century.
                "Allen Sutton Sothoron pitched his initials off today."--1920s article

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                • Originally posted by Tyrus4189Cobb View Post
                  I do my annual "greatest player by position" in the history forum. I wouldn't mind doing one exclusively for 19th century.
                  I'd do it. You'd probably have to wait longer for tangible results each round.
                  "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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                  • Originally posted by bluesky5 View Post
                    1. Cap Anson
                    2. Ed Delahanty
                    3. Buck Ewing
                    5. Billy Hamilton
                    6. Roger Connor
                    7. Dan Brouthers
                    8. Jesse Burkett
                    9. Jimmy Collins
                    10. Bid McPhee
                    11. King Kelly
                    12. Jim O'Rourke
                    13. Ross Barnes
                    14. Joe Start
                    15. Sam Thompson
                    Just nit-picking, but I absolutely fail to see how Roger Connor can possibly be called a better player than Dan Brouthers.
                    "Here's a crazy thought I've always had: if they cut three fingers off each hand, I'd really be a great hitter because then I could level off better." Paul Waner (lifetime .333 hitter, 3,152 lifetime hits.

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                    • Originally posted by Buzzaldrin View Post
                      Just nit-picking, but I absolutely fail to see how Roger Connor can possibly be called a better player than Dan Brouthers.
                      Maybe defense? I have enough issues rating guys on defense. When it comes to 19c players, forget it.
                      "Allen Sutton Sothoron pitched his initials off today."--1920s article

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                      • Originally posted by Buzzaldrin View Post
                        Just nit-picking, but I absolutely fail to see how Roger Connor can possibly be called a better player than Dan Brouthers.
                        Defense. Based mostly on the fact that Connor payed 3B as well. It may not be the best way to evaluate it, but it's an inference I made. If you have any information that eludes to Brouthers being better I'd be happy to hear it. I love 19th c. ball and don't hear enough.
                        "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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                        • From what I gather, both Connor and Brouthers played old school first base, i.e., standing on the bag and being a big target for throws. Charlie Comiskey (and I suppose others but haven't heard who they may be) pioneered the more modern style of play playing off the bag. Connor's bio at SABR says "over time he also developed into an adept-fielding first baseman". Okay. I don't read anything about Brouthers being specially great in the field, but I also don't find anything about him being any sort of liability either, and Connor's possible advantage in the field just can't be enough to overcome the massive difference in batting between the two- and it is massive.

                          Brouthers is the 19th c leader in OPS+ and is 8th all time. In 13 full seasons he led the league in OPS+ 8 times, batting five times (in three different leagues), OBP five times, and slugging seven times. He achieved the very cool feat of leading the league in slugging every year from 1881-1886, then changing tack and leading the league in offensive WAR every year from 1887-1892. His lifetime .342 is 9th lifetime, and unlike other old time stars such as Delahanty or Hamilton, he didn't achieve that by running up loads of big years in the hitter friendly 1890s, but rather in the dead ball 1880s. He did all of this playing in the same leagues as Connor, who, good as he was, doesn't come remotely close to Brouthers' feats with the bat.

                          Don't get me wrong, Connor was a great hitter, no question, a sure fire hall of famer justly celebrated for both his longevity and his power skills- but there is, again, a large difference in their htting abilities. And even as to power- Brouthers had 1,000 fewer career at bats than Connor, but he still hit more doubles, and in both homers and triple per at bat they're vitually identical (Brouthers has a slight edge in triples/AB, Connor in homers/AB, but when I say slight, I mean it's basically a wash). That's one thing we forget about Connor- he may have been the 19th c homerun king in absolute terms, but there were several players who out homered him per at bat (in that respect Sam Thompson is ther clear 19th c home run king).

                          I suppose it's a similar argument (on a different scale) to Ruth/Aaron. Aaron was a great player, a great hitter, with amazing longevity and he hit more homeruns than Ruth. But he wasn't as good as Babe Ruth (and yes, I know that you can make cases with them for different leagues, integration, etc., but just assume for the sake of argument that they played in the same leagues at the same time against the same pitching).

                          Roger Connor was a great hitter; Dan Brouthers was one of the best hitters of all time. That, I believe, more than compensates for any small defensive differences between the two.
                          "Here's a crazy thought I've always had: if they cut three fingers off each hand, I'd really be a great hitter because then I could level off better." Paul Waner (lifetime .333 hitter, 3,152 lifetime hits.

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                          • Originally posted by Buzzaldrin View Post
                            From what I gather, both Connor and Brouthers played old school first base, i.e., standing on the bag and being a big target for throws. Charlie Comiskey (and I suppose others but haven't heard who they may be) pioneered the more modern style of play playing off the bag. Connor's bio at SABR says "over time he also developed into an adept-fielding first baseman". Okay. I don't read anything about Brouthers being specially great in the field, but I also don't find anything about him being any sort of liability either, and Connor's possible advantage in the field just can't be enough to overcome the massive difference in batting between the two- and it is massive.

                            Brouthers is the 19th c leader in OPS+ and is 8th all time. In 13 full seasons he led the league in OPS+ 8 times, batting five times (in three different leagues), OBP five times, and slugging seven times. He achieved the very cool feat of leading the league in slugging every year from 1881-1886, then changing tack and leading the league in offensive WAR every year from 1887-1892. His lifetime .342 is 9th lifetime, and unlike other old time stars such as Delahanty or Hamilton, he didn't achieve that by running up loads of big years in the hitter friendly 1890s, but rather in the dead ball 1880s. He did all of this playing in the same leagues as Connor, who, good as he was, doesn't come remotely close to Brouthers' feats with the bat.

                            Don't get me wrong, Connor was a great hitter, no question, a sure fire hall of famer justly celebrated for both his longevity and his power skills- but there is, again, a large difference in their htting abilities. And even as to power- Brouthers had 1,000 fewer career at bats than Connor, but he still hit more doubles, and in both homers and triple per at bat they're vitually identical (Brouthers has a slight edge in triples/AB, Connor in homers/AB, but when I say slight, I mean it's basically a wash). That's one thing we forget about Connor- he may have been the 19th c homerun king in absolute terms, but there were several players who out homered him per at bat (in that respect Sam Thompson is ther clear 19th c home run king).

                            I suppose it's a similar argument (on a different scale) to Ruth/Aaron. Aaron was a great player, a great hitter, with amazing longevity and he hit more homeruns than Ruth. But he wasn't as good as Babe Ruth (and yes, I know that you can make cases with them for different leagues, integration, etc., but just assume for the sake of argument that they played in the same leagues at the same time against the same pitching).

                            Roger Connor was a great hitter; Dan Brouthers was one of the best hitters of all time. That, I believe, more than compensates for any small defensive differences between the two.
                            You have me convinced.
                            "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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                            • Originally posted by Chris Jones View Post
                              Baseball prior to 1900...magnificent, romantic, poetic... and at the same time... savage, brutal, beautiful. Anson, Kelly, McGraw and the rest...

                              Thanks to you all for keeping the game and its players alive and vital.

                              -Chris
                              Well put and seconded!
                              "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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                              • 1. Dan Brouthers
                                2. Ed Delahanty
                                3. Cap Anson
                                4. Roger Connor
                                5. Billy Hamilton
                                6. Jesse Burkett
                                7. Willie Keeler
                                8. Buck Ewing
                                9. Pete Browning
                                10. Sam Thompson
                                11. King Kelly
                                12. Paul Hines
                                13. John McGraw
                                14. Bill Dahlen
                                15. Goerge Van Haltren
                                16. Harry Stovey
                                17. Hugh Duffy
                                18. Jimmy Ryan
                                19. Bid McPhee
                                20. Ross Barnes
                                "(Shoeless Joe Jackson's fall from grace is one of the real tragedies of baseball. I always thought he was more sinned against than sinning." -- Connie Mack

                                "I have the ultimate respect for Whitesox fans. They were as miserable as the Cubs and Redsox fans ever were but always had the good decency to keep it to themselves. And when they finally won the World Series, they celebrated without annoying every other fan in the country."--Jim Caple, ESPN (Jan. 12, 2011)

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