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  • Ever Hear of Charlie Ferguson?

    Introducing Charles J. Ferguson:
    Born: April 17, 1863, Charlottesville, VA
    Died: April 29, 1888, Philadelphia, PA, at age of 25, of typhoid fever
    BB/TR; 6'0, 165


    He attracted attention while pitching for the independent Richmond, VA team. He shut out Boston's ML team on 4 singles.

    In 1884, he signed with the Philadelphia Nationals.

    In 1884, he went 21-25 for them. 3.54 ERA;

    In 1885, he was 26-20. 2.22 ERA. In 61 games, he hit .308, .368, .379

    In 1886, he was 30-9. ERA - 1.98. Finished with 11 straight wins.

    In 1887, he was 22-10. 3.00 ERA; In 72 games, he hit .337, .417, .470, which included 14 doubles, 6 triples, and 3 homers, in only 264 ABs.

    Now one might say that he was a fairly good pitcher, but others were even better. And you would be right. But, . . . pitching wasn't all of Charlie's talents.

    He was a superlative player in the field too. In fact, when he wasn't pitching, he was doing duties elsewhere, and very well at them too.

    He played OF 53 games, 2B 27 games, and 3B 8 games. His versatility was rare, even for a league in its formative stages, where specialization hadn't locked in yet, and many players were noted for their ability to be plugged in to a variety of utility positions, including pitching.

    Twice he hit over .300 with power. He covered CF with good speed.

    At the end of 1887, his team had the chance to finish 2nd. So Charlie played 2B for the final 17 games, when he wasn't pitching. He won 7 games, hit .361 and fielded .963. His team won 16 of its last 17 games and came in 2nd.

    --------W-----L------PCT------G-----SH------INN-------BB----So----ERA
    -------99-----64-----.607-----183----13-----1514-------290---726---2.67

    Bill Hanna had this to say about Charlie, in a June, 1924 article for Baseball Magazine.

    "Ferguson belongs in the "twenty-five" because he was the game's best all around player. There have been men who could look after as many positions, but none who could play them all so well. Ferguson was a good (garbled) regular of any ball club of the present; he was a good second baseman, not just a fill-er-in, but good: he could play the outfield well enough to make the absence of the regular no handicap, and he was a first class batter. There hasn't been an all around man since his day to equal him."

    Wilbert Robinson had this to say about Charlie. In June, 1931, rated him 5th greatest player of all time.
    "Hans Wagner was one. Back in the old, old days the Phillies had a man who could pitch like a streak and play the infield, too. His name was Charley Ferguson. You can't leave him off. There's Hughey Jennings, too. He was an unbeatable shortstop. As I said before, it's unfair to name just a few. Think of the many good ones I've never seen! But if I have to name the best five you can put down Cobb, Keeler, Ruth, Wagner and Ferguson for me."
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    All Charlie Ferguson


    Last edited by Bill Burgess; 04-02-2009, 05:25 PM.

  • #2
    he also coached baseball at princeton during the off-season

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    • #3
      Originally posted by william_burgess@usa.net
      Now one might say that he was a fairly good pitcher, but others were even better. And you would be right. But, . . . pitching wasn't all of Charlie's talents.

      From Baseball Magazine, January, 1916, pg. 22 WM. A. Phelon

      “There are fans today who swear Bill Lange was the greatest of all the players – he could hit like Delahanty, steal bases just like Cobb, and play half a dozen field positions more than middling well. Still others of an earlier day place Charlie Ferguson upon the pedestal – for Ferguson, as the story goes, could do anything that Cobb, Lange and Delahanty ever did, and, in addition, was a mighty pitcher. But Ferguson’s career was too short; he died too soon; and the man to wear the laurels of Time’s greatest player surely must be one whose big league history was one extending over many years.”
      Last edited by Bill Burgess; 04-20-2006, 04:26 PM.
      "I think about baseball when I wake up in the morning. I think about it all day and I dream about it at night. The only time I don't think about it is when I'm playing it."
      Carl Yastrzemski

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      • #4
        Ferguson pitched the first no-hitter in Philles history in 1885 against the Providence Grays. His 30 wins in 1886 placed him 6th, only one win behind Chicago White Stocking Jim McCormick, and 12 wins behind the Detroit Wolverine’s Lady Baldwin and the New York Giant’s Tim Keefe who led the National League that year with 42 wins. . His 1.98 ERA that year, was second only behind St Louis Maroon’s Harry Boyle who finished up the year at 1.76. Ferguson also had two saves that year finishing at the top in that category. He finished second in shutouts, tying teammate Dan Casey.
        "I think about baseball when I wake up in the morning. I think about it all day and I dream about it at night. The only time I don't think about it is when I'm playing it."
        Carl Yastrzemski

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        • #5
          Originally posted by william_burgess@usa.net
          It was Bill Phelon, one of my favorite sports writers who got me to over-rate Bill Lange in the first place. He over-did it with Lange's hitting, which was not up there. And for Phelon to say Lange's hitting rivaled Delahanty's or Cobb's was ludicrous.
          I guess it was difficult for them to look at everything objectively. Those writers didn't have the same 20/20 hindsight we have today and were probably going by what they either saw themselves or what, I'm sure, influential writing and stories they heard back then.
          "I think about baseball when I wake up in the morning. I think about it all day and I dream about it at night. The only time I don't think about it is when I'm playing it."
          Carl Yastrzemski

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          • #6
            Fantastic contributions, RS53!! Keep up your sensational work!! Kudos.

            Bill

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            • #7
              Runningshoes-
              Thank you for providing all of this information for all of us- very nice work!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by runningshoes53
                Ferguson pitched the first no-hitter in Philles history in 1885 against the Providence Grays. His 30 wins in 1886 placed him 6th, only one win behind Chicago White Stocking Jim McCormick, and 12 wins behind the Detroit Wolverine’s Lady Baldwin and the New York Giant’s Tim Keefe who led the National League that year with 42 wins. . His 1.98 ERA that year, was second only behind St Louis Maroon’s Harry Boyle who finished up the year at 1.76. Ferguson also had two saves that year finishing at the top in that category. He finished second in shutouts, tying teammate Dan Casey.

                Beat me to it

                One of the Phillies 1st superstars

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                • #9
                  So Bill, is there any explantion as to why he just disappeared from baseball at 24?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by baseballPAP
                    So Bill, is there any explanation as to why he just disappeared from baseball at 24?
                    Actually, there's a very good explanation.

                    He was dead.

                    Originally posted by william_burgess@usa.net
                    Born: April 17, 1863, Charlottesville, VA
                    Died: April 29, 1888, Philadelphia, PA, at age of 25, of typhoid fever
                    BB/TR; 6'0, 165
                    He was born in April and died shortly after his 25th birthday. He pitched the last game of the season on October 8, 1887 against the New York Giants. Phillies won 6-3. Ferguson and Jack Clement formed the battery that day.

                    Unfortunately, the Chicago-Pittsburg game is the only one in the Chicago Tribune with a detailed box score that day. I can tell which runs came in which innings and who the pitchers and catchers were, but that's about it.



                    Philadelphia scored all six of their runs in the first two innings and the Giants staged a late comeback that obviously fell short.
                    Last edited by runningshoes; 01-23-2006, 04:43 AM.
                    "I think about baseball when I wake up in the morning. I think about it all day and I dream about it at night. The only time I don't think about it is when I'm playing it."
                    Carl Yastrzemski

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by baseballPAP
                      So Bill, is there any explanation as to why he just disappeared from baseball at 24?
                      "There seemed to be no limit to his virtues, but his end came all too suddenly. In the spring of 1888 he contracted typhoid fever and died 12 days after his 25th birthday." (The Biographical Encyclopedia, from the editors of Total Baseball, 2000, pp. 350)

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                      • #12
                        Alot of early players died of things we take for granted now

                        Especially Typhoid fever, blood poisoning and Bright's Disease (a kidney ailment that killed the most ballplayers IIRC)

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by baseballPAP
                          Thanks guys...should have done my own homework
                          Hey, I thoroughly enjoy researching this stuff.

                          Any time. Just pose the question.
                          "I think about baseball when I wake up in the morning. I think about it all day and I dream about it at night. The only time I don't think about it is when I'm playing it."
                          Carl Yastrzemski

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Imapotato
                            Alot of early players died of things we take for granted now

                            Especially Typhoid fever, blood poisoning and Bright's Disease (a kidney ailment that killed the most ballplayers IIRC)
                            TB and malaria were also big problems - especially malaria with men who played in the south or in latin america -- some of these medical conditions were sometimes used as a polite euphemism for syphilis and cirrhosis or similar ailments

                            TB, malaria/typhoid fever and pneumonia killed a lot more than bright's disease

                            players were sometimes placed in sanitoriums and such for what we now call rehab but what was often referred to then as TB or another ailment
                            Last edited by Brian McKenna; 01-23-2006, 01:20 PM.

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                            • #15
                              One of my proudest projects is my sports writers index. Have over 600. You would be surprised how many died in their 40's. I am. Often were sick for 2 weeks or less, and gone.

                              Oh, what did you say? You question me? Well then. Take a gander at these early ages of death for sports writers, announcers, owners, managers, coaches, umpires, scouts, etc.
                              Code:
                              Sports Writers:
                              
                              Lewis E. Meacham             	32
                              William McDonald Spink (Taylor's uncle)37
                              Oliver Perry (OP) Caylor	47
                              Harry M. Weldon	45
                              Frank Leonardo Hough	55
                              Charles Bentley Power	52
                              Hugh Edmund (Hek) Keough	48
                              Gustave W. Axelson	57
                              William Henry Locke	43
                              William W. Douglas	42
                              Joseph M. McCready	53
                              William Arlie (Bill) Phelon	53
                              Julius Edgar (J. Ed) Grillo	49
                              William Wrothe Aulick	41
                              William George (Billy) Murphy     49
                              William Arthur (Bill) Rafter	47
                              Charles Emmet Van Loan	42
                              Wilson M. (Bill) Tackaberry	48
                              Bozeman Bulger	55
                              Warren Howard Mann	59
                              William Joseph (Bill) (Red) Cochran47
                              William O'Connell McGeehan	54
                              Malcolm A. MacLean        	46
                              Ralph Stuart Davis	57
                              James McClure Gould	59
                              William Sanford Forman	61
                              William Frederick (W. Fred) Ford	57
                              Harry Walter Bullion	52
                              Robert Wallace Maxwell	38
                              Edward B. Mullen	59
                              William Joseph Slocum	59
                              John W. McConaughy	49
                              Alfred Damon Runyon	62
                              George Bernard Underwood	58
                              James E. (Jim) O'Phelan	48
                              Ringgold Wilmer Lardner	48
                              Wilton Simpson (Bill) Farnsworth	60
                              Howard Perry Lewis	59
                              John Peter (Jack) Gallagher	60
                              Frank Burton (Burt) Whitman	62
                              Nicholas J. (Nick) Flatley	44
                              Robert Emmet Dundon	46
                              Wayne Keith Otto	51
                              Robert Wintrop Beall	48
                              Herbert S. Jaspan                 	53
                              Matthew Heywood Campbell Broun	51
                              William Guille Wedge, Jr.	62
                              Edward Leo Joseph (Eddie) Hurley	49
                              William S. (Willie) Hennigan	52
                              Samuel Damon Otis            	55
                              Lloyd Downs Lewis	57
                              John J. Alcock	53
                              Richard Farrington     	59
                              James S. Carolyn	52
                              James Carter (Scoop) Latimer	58
                              William Henry (Hank) Simmons	50
                              James P. Dawson	57
                              Henry L. Farrell	59
                              William B. Loftus	42
                              James Renwick (Jim) Harrison	36
                              James Francis (Jimmy) Corcoran          48
                              Arch Burdette Ward	58
                              Rutherford (Rud) Rennie	59
                              Walter Francis (Gunboat) Hudson	35
                              Zygmunt Stephen Kaminski	46
                              Frank MacDonnell	43
                              Manila Grant (Bud) Shaver                47
                              John Barret (Jack) Miley	46
                              Russell John Newland	54
                              William J. McCullough	52
                              Julius Lewis	45
                              John J. Sheridan	41
                              Edward Joseph McAuley	58
                              Donald E. Basenfelder	41
                              Robert Eugene Ray	37
                              Franklin Allan (Whitey) Lewis	54
                              James Anton (Jim) Burchard	56
                              Volney P. Walsh	33
                              Abbott Joseph (A.J.) Liebling             59
                              Frank A. (Gibby) Gibbons         58
                              John Gillooly	59
                              Joseph B. Kelley	57
                              Herbert F. Simons	60
                              Ben Epstein                                    51
                              Hyman Hurwitz                                56
                              Edwin J. Delaney	56
                              Tommy Devine	57
                              John Abbott Lardner	47
                              William J. Briordy	55
                              Robert C. Morrison	56
                              Luther (Dean) Eagle	58
                              Paul J. Elliott	58
                              John Wendell Smith	58
                              Francis Bonaventure (Bonnie) Ryan	59
                              Louis Simon                                      58
                              Ray Downing Knight	59
                              Michael Gillooly                              50
                              Leland Gaither (Lee) Allen	54
                              Hy Turkin                                      40
                              Robert C. (Corky) Lamm	58
                              William E. (Eddie) Read	56
                              Robert (Bob) Allison	57
                              Wendell A. (Wendy) Foltz	55
                              Paul McLaughlin Campbell    	53
                              Richard D. Baker	55
                              William J. (Jack) Hennigan	53
                              Charles R. (Bob) Englert	54
                              Thomas Rodgers	58
                              David J. Grote	59
                              Lloyd A. Armstrong	52
                              Fred A. Ciampa	51
                              William R. (Bill) Roeder	59
                              James K. (Jimmy) Bell	50
                              John (Jack) Murphy	57
                              George William (Bill) Givens	50
                              Ira (Bill) Searby	47
                              Earl Morey	48
                              Herbert A. (Herby) Kirby	47
                              Samuel J. (Sammy) Glassman   48
                              John P. (Jack) Horrigan	47
                              Leonard Shecter	47
                              Howard M. Sigmand	47
                              Jack Raymond Murphy, Jr.	47
                              Richard P. Koster	58
                              Elmore L. Keener, Jr.	37
                              Francis M. White                      38
                              Harold Brown	34
                              James Curtis (Kurt) McGregor     	31
                              Frank E. Barrett, Jr.	29
                              Vern N. Plagenhoef	45
                              Thomas Murray Boswell
                              
                              Announcers:
                              	
                              Thomas Graham McNamee	53
                              Harry Edwin Heilmann	56
                              Arch Linn McDonald	59
                              Van Patrick	58
                              John F. MacLean	52
                              Bill O'Donnell	56
                              Bill Enis	39
                              
                              Owners: 
                              
                              Charles Abraham Stoneham	59
                              William Louis Veeck, Sr.	55
                              Harry Herbert Frazee	49
                              John Louis Comiskey	54
                              James J. (Jimmy) Wood	53
                              Dorothy  (Comiskey) Rigley  (daughter of J. Louis)	54
                              Grace Lucille Comiskey  (daughter of J. Louis)	31
                              James J. (Jimmy) Wood	53
                              
                              Miscellaneous:
                              
                              John F. Luitich	57
                              Ernest Sargent Barnard             56
                              Charles C. Pyle	47
                              Harry Mitchell Grabiner                57
                              Harold (Hal) Mathewson	59
                              Charles (Chick) O'Malley	56
                              Joseph Walton Haynes	49
                              A. Bartlett Giamatti	51
                              Elvin (Ted) Malick	32
                              Harry G. Fallon	32
                              
                              Managers/Coaches:
                              
                              Frank Gibson Selee	49
                              William (Buck) Ewing	46
                              Patrick Joseph Moran	48
                              Frank Leroy Chance	47
                              Miller James Huggins	50
                              Daniel Philip (Dan) Howley	58
                              Daniel Edward (Danny) Murtaugh	59
                              
                              Scouts:
                              
                              Vernon Thomas (Vern) Morgan	47
                              William Thomas (Billy) Doyle	57
                              William Joseph Barrett	50
                              Harold T. (Hal) Martin, Sr.	59
                              Joseph Patrick Monahan	55
                              
                              Umpires: 
                              
                              John F. Sheridan	52
                              Robert Lee (Bob) Carruthers	47
                              Timothy Carroll Hurst	49
                              Francis H. (Silk) O'Loughlin	46
                              Joseph O'Brien	50
                              Fred (Bull) Perine	38
                              John (Jack) Pollock	52
                              Frank Wilson	38
                              Louis Charles Kolls	48
                              William Aloysus (Bill) McGowan	58
                              Roy R. (Cotton) Van Graflin	59
                              Robert Vavasour (Bob) Ferguson	49
                              John H. Gaffney	58
                              David F. (Dave) Sullivan	33
                              Hiram G. (Buck) Ebright	57
                              F. J. Hawkins	54
                              John A. (Jack) Holland	54
                              Charles Bentley Power	52
                              Stephen J. Kane	45
                              Eugene Fenley (Bob) Hart	57
                              George Cockill, Sr.	56
                              Charles (Cy) Rigler	53
                              Sherwood Robert Magee	44
                              Charles H. (Cy) Pfirman	46
                              Frank Wilson	38
                              Edward J. (Ed) Conahan	52
                              Leopold T. (Paul) Sentelle	45
                              William T. (Bill) Brennan	47
                              John H. (Jack) McQuaid	36
                              Peter A. (Pete) Harrison	46
                              
                              Sports Writers in progress:
                              
                              David Litton Reid            37
                              Michael J. Kelly	33
                              George W. Munson             47
                              Charles G. Seymour	37
                              Donald Parker                    44
                              Last edited by Bill Burgess; 01-23-2006, 04:02 PM.

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