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  • SABR Steve
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    I knew what you were saying. I just didn't respond very well, in fact I got off on a tangent. But yes I agree that errors played a significant roll in scoring.

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  • Brian McKenna
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    i wasn't saying that there was an advantage for team a over team b - just that errors played a significant role in scoring

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  • SABR Steve
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    I think everything is relative. Errors in the early days probably contributed more to run production than presently. But since all teams benefited from all those errors and the runs they produced, or what constituted errors, no team would have an advantage, unless, of course, they had a George Wright or Roscoe Barnes.

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  • Brian McKenna
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    the big thing is fielding - what was or wasn't called an error - of course everything begins in the pitcher's hand - then the bat - but my guess is it conversion in the field that determined many early games - what do you think about that point?

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  • SABR Steve
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    Originally posted by Gashouse6
    It doesn't matter how many games or where it was played. Those are some pretty good stats. In a real major league ballpark and in 162 games, I can imagine that .629 AVE. would shrink.
    Good point. But remember the ball was dead. Also, despite the fact that much information has been uncovered over the years, we still can't be sure about the size of some those old ballparks. In any case, his marks show how incredibly great he was against his contemporaries. I doubt, however, he could hit anywhere close to his old numbers, and then there's the question of fielding. How do you compare a gloveless fielder with today. He must have been quite an idol. Kids used to say "I'd rather be Wright than president."

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  • Gashouse6
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    Originally Posted by bkmckenna
    George was the best player of the early professional era, the first great shortstop. In 1869 he scored 339 times with 49 home runs and a .629 batting average in a mere 57 games. Those stats give one the feeling that the game was not far removed from the sandlot. He became the dominate hitter of the National Association. In his sole season as manager in 1879 he led Providence to the National League pennant over his brother in Boston. George is the only manager to do so in his lone season at the helm of a major league franchise.
    It doesn't matter how many games or where it was played. Those are some pretty good stats. In a real major league ballpark and in 162 games, I can imagine that .629 AVE. would shrink.
    Last edited by Gashouse6; 02-19-2006, 05:42 PM.

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  • Gashouse6
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    An unusual play highlights the Athletics-Boston match in Philadelphia. With the Athletics leading 4-1 in the 7th inning, and runners on 1B and 2B, Fergy Malone pops up to SS George Wright. Wright catches the ball in his hat and then throws the ball to 3B after which it is thrown to 2B. Wright claims a double play has been completed, as a batter cannot be retired with a "hat catch," and thus runners Cap Anson and Bob Reach are forced out. The umpire finally gives Malone another at-bat, declaring nobody out. Athletics win 6-4.
    That's not fair.
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  • Buzzaldrin
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    Actually, Barnes was regarded by his contemporaries to be the premiere hitter of the league, the New York Clipper chose him as best hitter four straight years and best fielding 2B six straight, but Wright and Barnes did form the first great double play combo. Imagine a pair that could field like that and hit like that today.

    But here's a great story about Wright:

    An unusual play highlights the Athletics-Boston match in Philadelphia. With the Athletics leading 4-1 in the 7th inning, and runners on 1B and 2B, Fergy Malone pops up to SS George Wright. Wright catches the ball in his hat and then throws the ball to 3B after which it is thrown to 2B. Wright claims a double play has been completed, as a batter cannot be retired with a "hat catch," and thus runners Cap Anson and Bob Reach are forced out. The umpire finally gives Malone another at-bat, declaring nobody out. Athletics win 6-4.

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  • SABR Steve
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    A couple of things. I believe his son Beals was a top tennis player. (His son was named after a teammate)
    According to Deacon White, George could throw with either hand and with authority. (Don't ask me where I read it.)
    I place George above Barnes, and I think his contemperaries would agree with this assessment. However, I could be wrong and often am.

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  • Old Mike
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    As I recall that bookstore in which I found it was a real goldmine for me back about 1980. The other nugget was the first Carl Mays biography; not the one by Mike Sowell called "The Pitch that Killed," but rather one by a sportswriter called Bob McGarigle. It is very tough to find.

    Getting back to the George Wright book. It wasn't out on the regular shelf, but rather behind the main desk. The owner sometimes put aside books for regular customers. I asked about baseball books and he said, "Nothing new, but you might be interested in this cricket book." I tried to buy it right on the spot but the store owner told me that he had promised it to another customer; a deal that had been discussed over the phone. The owner told me to come back in two weeks and if the other interested party had no purchased it by then, it would be mine. Those were two tough weeks, let me tell you.

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  • Old Mike
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    Felix on the Bat

    This is the link to the HOF and the book.



    http://abner.baseballhalloffame.org/...ght&SORT=D&6,6,

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  • vptpt
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    Thanks, Old Mike, for thinking of the rest of us baseball fans when you found that book! So many people would have sold it to the highest bidder. The lifetime HOF pass is well deserved.

    I hope you were able to clean yourself up before the drive home though...

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  • yanks0714
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    Originally posted by bkmckenna
    yeah - i know - i was referring to how pro golfers were reviewed in general - as a step above hustlers

    just because the book was eloquent and we now view sports history as nostalgic - doesn't mean it was viewed that way when it was happening

    amatuerism was embraced in golf and football and it took a long time to boost the pro game
    Oh, that's very true...I wasn't disagreeing with you at all. merely that the two better viewed pros, Vardon and Ray, were the two that Ouimet defeated.

    In fact, the pros weren't even allowed in the clubhouses at various courses around the States.

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  • Old Mike
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    As I think back on the book I recall that it contained an illustration of a "catapult." It was used for batting practice. Since the book was published in 1855 I feel safe in calling it the first modern pitching machine.

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  • Old Mike
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    Many years ago, while wandering through an old book store in Boston, I ran across a dusty old book on cricket called "Felix on the Bat." It was published in London in 1855. There was a penciled inscription inside the book that read (from recall) "I read this book many times as a child, hoping to grow up to be the cricket player that my father was." (signed) "Geo. Wright."

    Of course I immediately crapped all over myself. I purchased the book for $20. I donated the book to the HOF at Cooperstown and believe they spend a lot of money restoring the book. I got a lifetime free pass to the HOF.

    I don't really second-guess that decision for a book like that needed to be preserved in a place like the HOF, but I imagine it would be worth a bundle today on the open market.

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