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  • SavoyBG
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    Originally posted by Bill Burgess View Post
    Kid Nichols, (Sept. 14, 1869 - April 11, 1953) (NL pitcher, 1890 - 1901, 04-06)
    "Charley Bennett was the best catcher during my time. He worked with me in Boston until he lost his legs in a railroad accident. He went through several seasons without having a passed ball.
    Another example of why we can't listen to quotes from players. Bennett had a ton of passed balls and never came close to going through a season without a passed ball.
    Last edited by Bill Burgess; 09-19-2009, 02:37 PM.

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  • Bill Burgess
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    AstrosFan has contributed this wonderful hitting chart of relative stats for catchers. Listed by OPS+.
    Code:
           FN               PA	AB----Rel.BA--Rel.OnB-Rel.Slg.-Rel.ISO--OPS+
    King	Kelly		6455	5894	119	116.5	125.4	143.4	141.9
    Mike	Piazza		7416	6602	114.7	111.3	128.9	153.1	140.2
    Mickey	Cochrane	6055	5169	110.1	116.3	114.3	123.7	130.6
    Buck	Ewing		5764	5363	111.7	106.3	123.6	157	129.9
    Roy	Campanella	4786	4205	102.9	106	121.3	155.8	127.3
    Johnny	Bench		8658	7658	101.8	103.6	123.4	169.5	127
    Gabby	Hartnett        7170	6432	103.6	106.6	120.2	160.2	126.8
    Bill	Dickey		7009	6300	110.5	107.6	118.2	135.3	125.8
    Ernie	Lombardi        6331	5855	111.3	105.7	118.5	135.8	124.2
    Roger	Bresnahan	5262	4481	104.6	116.7	107.2	115.3	123.9
    Yogi	Berra		8355	7555	107.6	102	121.7	150	123.7
    Carlton	Fisk		9827	8756	103	103.9	116.6	143.6	120.5
    Charlie	Bennett		4310	3821	 99.5	109	111.2	144.4	120.2
    Gary	Carter		8986	7971	 99.9	101.5	113	140.5	114.5
    Ivan	Rodriguez  	8298	7745	112.7	101	113.3	114.4	114.3
    Thurman	Munson		5882	5344	112.6	105.9	107	 95.2	112.9
    Johnny	Bassler		2766	2319	105.7	116.8	 91.2	 53.1	108
    Johnny	Kling		4534	4241	102.3	 96.4	102.4	102.5	 98.8
    Jimmy	Archer		2787	2644	 95.7	 88.7	 96.9	100.5	 85.6
    Ray	Schalk		6003	5306	 90.4	 97.3	 82.5	 60.7	 79.8
    Marty	Bergen		1340	1278	 92.1	 85.2	 91.8	 90.9	 77
    Charlie Bennett

    Matt Sounder ranked catchers according to his PCA stat system, for Charlie Bennett.

    1878 - 8 (Snyder)
    1879 - NR
    1880 - 2 (Clapp)
    1881 - 1
    1882 - 1
    1883 - T3 (Bushong)
    1884 - 7 (Gilligan)
    1885 - 5 (Ewing)
    1886 - 1
    1887 - 4 (Daly)
    1888 - 1
    1889 - 4 (Zimmer)
    1890 - 2 (Zimmer)
    1891 - 3 (Zimmer)
    1892 - 22 (Zimmer)
    1893 - 14 (Farrell)

    Charlie Bennett, Detroit C, 1881-88------------------Charlie Bennett, former Detroit star catcher
    -------------------------------------------------------with prosthetic legs. Bennett Field in Detroit was named after him.

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------with 1890 Boston Nationals(Bees)
    Last edited by Bill Burgess; 08-14-2011, 08:04 PM.

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  • Bill Burgess
    started a topic Charlie Bennett Thread

    Charlie Bennett Thread

    Introducing Charlie Bennett

    Born: November 21, 1854
    Died: February 24, 1927

    NL catcher, 1878 - 1893

    On January 12, 1894, at the age of 39, while still active as a ballplayer, Charlie Bennett was run over by a train at Wellsville, KS, and had to have both his legs amputated. Detroit's ballpark was subsequently named after Charlie.

    Charlie's Relative Stats:

    -----------Rel.BA---Rel.Onb---Rel.Slg---OPS+--Rel.ISO---Plate Appearances
    ------------99.5 ------109-------111.2---120.2----144.4--------4310

    In the superb book, "The History of Baseball: Its great Players, Teams and Managers, ed. By Allison Danzig & Joe Reichler, 1959, pp. 255, we find this introduction to its CATCHERS section;

    The GREAT CATCHERS of baseball have included Bill Dickey, Roger Bresnahan, Mickey Cochrane, Gabby Hartnett, Buck Ewing, Johnny Kling, Ray Schalk and Roy Campanella. Also, Jimmy Archer, Lou Criger, Martin Bergen, Wallie Schang, Steve O'Neil, Bob O'Farrell, Charlie Bennett, Rick Ferrell, Mike (King) Kelly, Gabby Street, Billy Sullivan, Jimmy Wilson, Hank Gowdy, Bill Killifer, Wilbert Robinson, Walker Cooper, Al Lopez, Yogi Berra and Ernie Lombardi.

    William B. Hanna, Oct., 1956? - Nov. 20, 1930; NY sportswriter, 1888-1930
    Bennett was great as a backstop. So were Johnny Kling, Lou Criger, Martin Bergen, Jimmy Archer, Billy Sullivan and Bill Killefer, and Doe Bushong. So are Schalk, O'Neill, Severeid, Bassler and O'Farrell, the last named one of the best of the day for all around excellence. None has made the intaglio-like impress of Ewing. (Baseball Magazine, June, 1924, pp. 300)

    Francis C. Richter, Philadelphia sportswriter (1876-1926), AL Reach Baseball Guide Editor-In-Chief (1901-1926, death)
    Charley Bennett was listed with Buck Ewing as the 2 best catchers from 1880-1890, by Francis Richter.

    Robert Sensenderfer, (Dec. 31, 1883 - Jan. 3, 1957) (Philadelphia spwr. 50 yrs.)
    In the Philadelphia Bulletin in 1936, listed Buck Ewing and Charlie Bennett among the great players of baseball prior to 1900.

    3. Tim H. Murnane, June 4, 1851 - Feb 7, 1917; ML 1B, 1872-78; Boston spwr. 1888-1917 of the Boston Globe listed the game's great catchers. Listed Bennett on his All American team in 1900.

    Kid Nichols, (Sept. 14, 1869 - April 11, 1953) (NL pitcher, 1890 - 1901, 04-06)
    "Charley Bennett was the best catcher during my time. He worked with me in Boston until he lost his legs in a railroad accident. He went through several seasons without having a passed ball. He never had an equal as a throw to bases." Bennett was the catcher of the world champion Detroit Team of 1887. He went through several seasons without having a passed ball. He never had an equal as a throw to bases."

    Bennett was the catcher of the world champion Detroit Team of 1887.

    I also suspect that they caught so few games per season because of injuries. With the doctored balls they were allowed to throw, a lot of errand ball hit their hands, split their nails, banged their shins, rickocheed off their knees, etc. It is known that a lot of the old catchers ended up with gnarled, grotesquely distorted fingers. Here is an excerpt from my Charlie Bennet post from my Ty Cobb Thread.

    "When he was forced to give up baseball, Bennett came back to Detroit and became adept at painting chinaware. First he tried it as a pastime and later as means of livelihood. It was with characteristic patience that Bennett trained his distorted fingers in the delicate art of china painting. . . . it is certain that Bennett ranked with the greatest catchers of his period. Above all else, he was loyal to his job, frequently sticking behind the plate when suffering intense pain from injuries sustained in the line of duty.

    James Hart, manager of the old Boston club, has told how Bennett once insisted on catching though his hands were torn and bleeding. In fact, Bennett had caught several innings before it was known he was jnjured. The knowledge did not come from Bennett but from John Clarkson, his pitcher, who griped that when the ball was returned to him, it was stained with blood. Even when Clarkson reported it to Management, Bennett protested against leaving the game and it was only after much insisting that he consented to leave." (Thursday, Sporting News, March 3, 1927, pp. by Sam Greene)

    It is the author's contention that Charlie Bennett was the 2nd greatest defensive catcher of the 1800's, after the immortal Buck Ewing, although not the equal as an all-around catcher of King Kelly, due to offense. I hold that Charlie Bennett deserves to rank among the very greatest defensive catchers of all time. I do not advocate Charlie Bennett for the Hall of Fame.
    Last edited by Bill Burgess; 11-11-2008, 12:10 PM.

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