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  • #76
    Jen Finch topped out in low 70s. She wouldn't throw a baseball much faster. I played major division softball, I threw as hard as Finch, and I was never higher than 3rd in the rotation. Why? Because I didn't throw fast enough. While Finch was impressive in the lower-caliber womens game, she would be pus in the top mens division. Two women chucking in mid 60s is a pitching duel. Two men chucking in low 70s is a slugfest. That's just the way it is. The top men threw 20-25 MPH faster than Finch. Besides, put Finch at 60'6" and her speed would drop considerably.

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    • #77
      Macker,

      You seem to have extensive softball experience and knowledge. Did you ever see Eddie Feigner pitch in person? How good was he?
      Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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      • #78
        I saw Feigner a few times. Earliest was in the early 70s. I also saw him near the end a couple of times, and his schtick was old and boring. I finally told his agent to stop calling me, because our league had no interest in having him back. The last time we had him, they were grooming Craig Estrada, son of former MLB pitcher Chuck Estrada, to take over as pitcher. I also saw Feigner get lit up against a group who just prior to the game said they weren't going along with the show. They played on a field with a fence, and they hit bomb after bomb off him.

        He threw hard, and had other pitches besides the fastball. The thing is, though, he was no faster than other pitchers I faced. Even in the 70s, he had some years on him, so I can believe he was lights out in his younger years, but when I saw him, he was more entertaining than great.

        As far as female pitchers, I would rather have Cat Osterman over Finch. Osterman doesn't throw as hard, but I think she's a better pitcher, better breaking balls, change, etc.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by NJYankeeFan View Post
          I read a story of girl who was entertaining offers to either play in the minors, an indy league or Korea at something like 17. Possibly has the talent. Can't find the article.

          But I think it could happen. A pitcher. Maybe a knuckleballer. Maybe a lefty submarines loowy? ,)

          Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I997 using Tapatalk 2
          Indy teams will do gimmicky things for publicity. Since they aren't part of a MLB franchise they can't sell "the stars of tomorrow."

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          • #80
            Originally posted by ipitch View Post
            The top female sprinter not only didn't beat the 7th best male, she wasn't even in the same zip code as him. She probably couldn't even beat the 1,000th fastest male sprinter. That's is how much better males are.



            They do, but they don't do it nearly as well. They hit with less power, their throws are slower, they run slower, and they don't jump as high. That's the point. Plus, those women are playing against other women, right? Just because a woman hits a 250' line-drive, it doesn't mean she could do the same vs. a male pitcher.

            Your "any one of these (women) ballplayers could hold their own against men" statement is ridiculous. They can't do it in other sports, so what makes you think they could do it in baseball? Yes, women don't play much baseball, but they do play a lot of basketball, track, hockey, etc. and the best women aren't even close to being good enough to compete with the men.
            I was an all-state basketball player in high school. I played playground games after college (played baseball). When I was about 23 I played a one on one game with a WBL (preceeded the WBA) player. I was a former high school player. She was a current professional. I killed her every game we played. The only thing she could do better than me was shoot when I left her open since she practiced shooting every day. When I got in her face she couldn't do a thing. I was too strong and too quick.

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            • #81
              Playing second has the shortest throw

              This statement alone tells me the poster doesn't know the game of baseball. A MLB second baseman better have a gun for an arm for turning two. It's not Little League.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Mr. Laser Beam View Post
                ^ Uh huh. So if a woman tried out for a MLB team right now, do you think anyone would let her?
                There would be nothing stopping a woman from attending a MLB free agent tryout camp.

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                • #83
                  Here's a good example of the difference between male and female athletes. Mia Hamm was arguably the best female soccer player in the word in her prime. When asked if she planned to tryout for a MLS team she laughed. Then she defined the difference between male and female athletes. She said her world champion American Gold Cup team struggled against the top U19 American boys teams.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by clayadams View Post
                    I'm not trying to be a grammar nazi, but your triple negative sentence has kinda thrown me off. Are you saying it's sexist to say women aren't as strong as men?

                    Let me start off by saying (if it's not already clear) that I'm all for a female reaching the MLB. I think it's theoretically possible. I have a preteen daughter that plays baseball and loves it with every bone in her body. She wants nothing to do with softball. With that said, it's simple fact to say that women aren't as strong as men. Sure, there are SOME women that are stronger than SOME men. However, in general, men have that whole testosterone advantage. That's why a male gorilla can rip a man, literally, limb from limb. Everything he eats turns into pure testosterone. Men produce, on average 10x more testosterone than women. Therefore, we'll be stronger. Stating fact isn't sexist. The reason I think a woman CAN make it to the pros someday, is because baseball doesn't require the biggest, fastest, and strongest. That all helps, but it's not a requirement to be good at the game.
                    The player in the minors, who never make the majors are among the most fastest, strongest and most talented players in the game. There isn't even a woman capable of playing major conference college baseball. And only 10% of college baseball players are even drafted to be given a 1% shot at MLB.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
                      Why does she believe this? I can see if a female player was just used as a side show then the male ballplayers would probably not give the female much respect. As I mentioned before when Annika Sörenstam played a PGA Tour event she was invited, she didn't qualify. This annoyed some male pros. If she had gone to qualifying school and earned her PGA Tour card I doubt any male pros would objected much. If she qualifies then she's qualifies. I think we laid out the difficulties of a woman ballplayer playing in the majors and being a productive player. Now if Jessica Ennis could hit and field she's could help my SF Giants in the outfield. In the end I think the creation of a WMLB would be a more interesting development. I'd go see a women's major league game if they played some good ball. I'm not sure how many other people would though. The WNBA has been around since 1996 yet six teams have folded.
                      If the WNBA wasn't financially subsidized by the NBA it would be long gone.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by tg643 View Post
                        Playing second has the shortest throw

                        This statement alone tells me the poster doesn't know the game of baseball. A MLB second baseman better have a gun for an arm for turning two. It's not Little League.
                        Your statement in no way contradicts what I said. Do second baseman not have the shortest throw to first base? On most plays the second baseman has a throw 60-80 ft.
                        Last edited by Honus Wagner Rules; 01-25-2013, 02:22 PM.
                        Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
                          Your statement in no way contradicts what I said. Do second baseman not have the shortest throw to first base? On most plays the second baseman has a throw 60-80 ft.
                          I stand on "you don't know the game." Playing second base has nothing to do with the shortest throw. They throw just as hard as the shortstop and third baseman.

                          There's a filter in the game where the talent funnel gets smaller and smaller. Outside of pitchers and catchers, colleges recruit mostly the stud shortstops and center fielders. They get disbursed around the field in college. The same mostly occurs in pro ball in relation to college players. A MLB second basemen was almost surely a stud shortstop in high school. There's a very good chance he was a college shortstop. It's not like LL where someone plays second because it's the shortest throw.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by tg643 View Post
                            I stand on "you don't know the game." Playing second base has nothing to do with the shortest throw. They throw just as hard as the shortstop and third baseman.
                            And of course you "know that game"? Right. Is the throw from second shorter than the throw from shortstop and third base? Yes or no? Go bother someone's threads with your useless posts.

                            There's a filter in the game where the talent funnel gets smaller and smaller. Outside of pitchers and catchers, colleges recruit mostly the stud shortstops and center fielders. They get disbursed around the field in college. The same mostly occurs in pro ball in relation to college players. A MLB second basemen was almost surely a stud shortstop in high school. There's a very good chance he was a college shortstop. It's not like LL where someone plays second because it's the shortest throw.
                            "Stud high shortstops" and "college shortstops" are a dime a dozen. It's meaningless. Buster Posey played shortstop in college. Could he play shortstop in the majors? I thought you "know the game"? Apparently, not.
                            Last edited by Honus Wagner Rules; 01-28-2013, 09:01 PM.
                            Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
                              And of course you "know that game"? Right. Is the throw from second shorter than the throw from shortstop and third base? Yes or no? Go bother someone's threads with your useless posts.


                              "Stud high shortstops" and "college shortstops" are a dime a dozen. It's meaningless. Buster Posey played shortstop in college. Could he play shortstop in the majors? I thought you "know the game"? Apparently, not.
                              This is a senseless response. Actually trying to validate a woman being capable of playing MLB baseball is senseless and a joke. The best female athletes in the world are on par with the best male high school athletes.

                              Yes, I know the game. I played major conference D1 baseball. I coached college/pro showcase prospect ball. My son plays major conference D1 baseball. For what it's worth my daughter played major conference D1 softball.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by tg643 View Post
                                This is a senseless response.
                                It's only senseless because you can't understand it. And you didn't answer my question about Buster Posey.

                                Actually trying to validate a woman being capable of playing MLB baseball is senseless and a joke.
                                Why is it senseless and a joke? This is a baseball forum we we spitball all sorts of baseball ideas. Someone asked a question about a woman playing major league ball. If you think it's senseless and a joke then why did you bother to post in this thread? Why waste out time other than to tell us how smart you think you are? Most of us posting in this thread have said it's quite unlikely that a woman could play in the majors. I don't think anyone has stated they thought it was likely or probable. If it were remotely possible some said it would be a pitcher. Others said a middle infielder. We are just throwing out ideas here.

                                Yes, I know the game. I played major conference D1 baseball. I coached college/pro showcase prospect ball. My son plays major conference D1 baseball. For what it's worth my daughter played major conference D1 softball.
                                Well good for you, assuming your are telling truth. Over the Internet there is no way of knowing. So stop being so snooty about how you "know the game" and and anyone that disagrees with you "doesn't know the game".
                                Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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