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  • Originally posted by Gary Dunaier View Post
    I checked out the area after Saturday's game, around 6.30pm-7.00pm (I went to McFadden's after the game, hence the late hour - man, that place is LOUD!) and I couldn't see anything. But without a visual, I really didn't know what I was looking for.
    I would think you might be able to see it when:

    1. The parking lot is empty, and
    2. You have an aerial view.

    I would think you'd be able to see it from the IRT Platform near the first Manhattan-bound car (but maybe the trees block your view - not sure). The best time would be in the AM - someone could look for the photo op after leaving your car at the park-and-ride...

    I am sure you'd see it from the 3rd base bar on the Excelsior level, but you wouldn't be in the stadium unless there was a game, and then the lots would be full...

    Maybe a view from the top of the LF Ramps just after the gates open and the lots are (pretty) empty on a weekday night game...
    20-Game Saturday Plan, Prom Box 423.


    • Originally posted by tugger View Post
      From the dead it rises ...
      Too funny!
      First Game- Twinight DH, Mets vs. Cards at Shea, August 22, 1965


      • That crack in the picture is pretty normal for an asphalt parking lot.

        The old foundation was likely fully removed. As for the piles, usually you can cut them below grade and leave them rather than extract them. Judging by the pictures of the demo of Shea, I'd assume they did that.

        All the piles are is a either steel beam driven into the ground or a large pipe driven and filled (Citi used pipe piles). Either to a designated depth or to a point of refusal (movement per blow). When done, the top of the pile is tied into the foundation and a concrete footer is poured.

        You can see the pile hammers installing the piles when building Shea. Looks like the footer was on grade.


        So when demolition was occurring, the footer slab was completely removed leaving the tops of the H steel or pipe piles sticking up. With the number of piles, extracting them all would be an expensive and slow process. You can cut them off two feet below finished grade most times and leave them. My guess is that they built the new parking lot 2' higher than the top of the piles. Easier by a mile plus you can leave pretty much all the crushed concrete as a base material.

        Even torching off the tops would take a long time.

        If anything, you'd see cracks in the asphalt that looked like an H or a decent sized circle.
        Last edited by Matt The Hammer; 04-02-2018, 01:40 PM.


        • It's hard to see in the photo that sheagoodbye1010 posted in post 14323, but that crack is definitely in the shape of a large circle, it goes on for a long, long way, extending under the concrete sidewalk that runs east/west in the middle of the lot, and it's in a place where Shea used to be. It has got to be the remnants of a foundation.
          First Game- Twinight DH, Mets vs. Cards at Shea, August 22, 1965


          • Shaky but interesting film - Monday, September 3, 1973 (Labor Day doubleheader) vs Phillies, Game 1. Marquee matchup, Jerry Koosman vs Steve Carlton (although both were having sub-par seasons). Action is from innings 1-4. Koosman went all the way, besting Carlton 5-0. This is Willie Mays' last day playing in the regular season in New York; he played 1B this game, then pinch-hit and played 1B in the nightcap. He'd play one more game in Montreal Sept. 9, then participate in the NLCS and WS that fall before calling it a career.

            Classic baseball and ballparks, now with a new look!


            • Yanks Old Timers Day


              • Found this image of Shea Stadium with the SERVAL ZIPPERS sign prominently in the background.

                It appears to be a screen capture from SNY's "Mets Yearbook 1971." It's part of a 2014 blog entry by Paul Lukas on Uni Watch. Here's what he has to say:

                [T]here used to be a zipper factory in Queens, called Serval Zippers. Its sign was plainly visible beyond the left field wall at Shea Stadium, so I grew up seeing it when I went to Mets games: During night games, the sign would illuminate one letter at a time — S-E-R-V-A-L Z-I-P-P-E-R-S. Then it would go blank and start over. It was sort of mesmerizing. Alas, Serval Zippers no longer exists (the building is now a U-Haul outlet), although its name lives on on countless garments.
                What's THAT guy doing?
                - one of the YES Network broadcasters, after the camera cut to me doing the thumbs-down after Todd Frazier's home run


                • Missed this from Paul Lukas' column in January, but a great article of a found 1965 Shea Stadium uniform brochure. Cool pics and interesting reading, check it out ->

                  Some pics:





                  Classic baseball and ballparks, now with a new look!


                  • 53 years ago ...


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