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  • I understand but there is literally 25 people in the stands while the game is underway in the pic. The new stadium will draw well the first 2 years, then dont be surprise to see crowds of 10000 or less unless the team is a powerhouse.

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    • Originally posted by go_leafs_go02 View Post
      People don't just randomly go to a weekday baseball game on a days notice when it was supposed to be the day after.
      Funny, they do up here in Boston. Rained out night games get rescheduled for the next afternoon and at least 20k always show up.
      http://www.virtualfenway.com

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      • Originally posted by MC EXPOS View Post
        I understand but there is literally 25 people in the stands while the game is underway in the pic. The new stadium will draw well the first 2 years, then dont be surprise to see crowds of 10000 or less unless the team is a powerhouse.
        No, I don't think you do understand.

        First, there were literally more than just 25 people in the stands. (Sorry, that's just a pet peeve of mine).

        Secondly, the picture was taken at the very beginning of the first game of a doubleheader, a game that hadn't been scheduled for that time until literally
        the day before. Here's the big problem. With the Marlins not really being all that competitive as of late (an intentional understatement--they're sucking royally), combined with the Dolphins starting up their season and all the fun coming out of UM football, the Marlins have been getting virtually zero media attention in town. They have been buried in the back pages, and whatever announcement that the single night game on Wednesday had been turned into a double header starting at 3 in the afternoon was probably not caught by anyone but an astute few. So I'm not kidding when I say that very few people in town knew there was a game at 3 pm. They knew there was a night game, but they were not aware of the game that had been rescheduled last minute for earlier that afternoon.

        I'm not going to be delusional and say that Marlins attendance has been good any time of late. But this particular situation has been completely taken out of context. As I said before, by the second game, there was your typical crowd of 15,000-16,000 in the stands, because--**people were actually made aware of the night game and were able to show up**. I saw the game on TV and it was your typical modest but not paultry Marlins crowd. Again, very few people knew that a game had been scheduled that afternoon. It's not as though this game had been on the schedule for months and no one decided to show up. It was a last minute, and sadly very little publicized, change.

        And as an FYI, the Marlins have not had a paid crowd of less than 10,000 since 2003. Yes, I'm sure there have been plenty of actual attendances that have dipped below that figure, but let's be honest, actual attendance is never used as a bench mark anymore in any city for any team.

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        • Originally posted by Sean O View Post
          Funny, they do up here in Boston. Rained out night games get rescheduled for the next afternoon and at least 20k always show up.
          First, it wasn't a rained out game. Thursday's game was moved forward. There was no postponement. And as I said in the other post, sadly the media didn't really publicize the fact that the Wednesday had been turned into a doubleheader. Hence, the paultry showing for the first game, but your typical 15,000 or so crowd for the second game.

          Secondly, let's look at the baseball hotbed in the Bronx, during a year that the Yanks would be headed off to a World Series. What was the paid attendance at the House that Ruth Built for the Blue Jays-Yankees makeup game on September 8, 2003?

          Answer: 8,848.

          http://www.sunjournal.com/node/485229?quicktabs_1=2

          It happens.

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          • Pete nailing them...

            As a fan, I would love to be at games like that where there's little fans. How much fun would that first game be if you were there? I hate sitting shoulder to shoulder with people I don't know.

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            • Originally posted by PeteU View Post
              First, it wasn't a rained out game. Thursday's game was moved forward. There was no postponement. And as I said in the other post, sadly the media didn't really publicize the fact that the Wednesday had been turned into a doubleheader. Hence, the paultry showing for the first game, but your typical 15,000 or so crowd for the second game.
              Completely irrelevant. Up here, people take vacation days to go to games.

              Secondly, let's look at the baseball hotbed in the Bronx, during a year that the Yanks would be headed off to a World Series. What was the paid attendance at the House that Ruth Built for the Blue Jays-Yankees makeup game on September 8, 2003?

              Answer: 8,848.

              http://www.sunjournal.com/node/485229?quicktabs_1=2

              It happens.
              Can't believe I'm defending the friggin' Yankees, but if you were to go with a rough 3,000 estimate, that's almost 3x as much. If you go with the 347 figure, that's 25x as much.
              http://www.virtualfenway.com

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              • Originally posted by Sean O View Post
                Completely irrelevant. Up here, people take vacation days to go to games.


                Can't believe I'm defending the friggin' Yankees, but if you were to go with a rough 3,000 estimate, that's almost 3x as much. If you go with the 347 figure, that's 25x as much.
                Well, that's nice and all, but the Sox have the benefit of 100+ years of history and playing in a sainted Green Cathedral intended for baseball. Ditto for the Yankees. At no time in the past few decades has there been any threat of moving or contracting the team. No major firesales to be spoken of. No threats to the stability of the franchise.

                But, as you see from the 2003 Yankees game, even big history, big market teams like them are not immune from the unexpected. And again, in the long run, actual attendance figures are going to be irrelevant. Like or not, attendance is going to be measured by paid attendance, including all no-shows. And unless we are talking about a World Series game, just about every team is going to have a few thousand no-shows. That 3,000 figure is something that was pulled out of one's rear. For that matter, so could my estimate of the 15,000 or 16,000 that were in the park by the second game (which I saw on television). Paid attendance was over 22,000, meaning 22,000 paid for their seats, whether they showed up in the 1st inning of the first game, 5th inning of the first game, 1st inning of the second game, or not at all.

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                • What is the latest status on what will happen to this stadium once the Marlins move out? Are they still going to add seats and/or renovate the stadium to fill in some of that extra space? What about the roof?
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                  • Originally posted by PeteU View Post
                    Well, that's nice and all, but the Sox have the benefit of 100+ years of history and playing in a sainted Green Cathedral intended for baseball. Ditto for the Yankees. At no time in the past few decades has there been any threat of moving or contracting the team. No major firesales to be spoken of. No threats to the stability of the franchise.

                    But, as you see from the 2003 Yankees game, even big history, big market teams like them are not immune from the unexpected. And again, in the long run, actual attendance figures are going to be irrelevant. Like or not, attendance is going to be measured by paid attendance, including all no-shows. And unless we are talking about a World Series game, just about every team is going to have a few thousand no-shows. That 3,000 figure is something that was pulled out of one's rear. For that matter, so could my estimate of the 15,000 or 16,000 that were in the park by the second game (which I saw on television). Paid attendance was over 22,000, meaning 22,000 paid for their seats, whether they showed up in the 1st inning of the first game, 5th inning of the first game, 1st inning of the second game, or not at all.
                    Pete, why bother defending this area? Just accept what has been demonstrated time and time again on this board: Baseball fans in Boston and New York are clearly of superior moral fiber than those lost souls in the Sunshine State, and it's no use pretending otherwise. I'm sure when the new mallpark opens, the literal crowd will be in the low double digits, the last local pride we have will be stamped out of us and the Northeast will finally be able to demonstrate its inherent superiority! And that's hoping the concrete (a substandard building material that would never survive a New York winter) doesn't crack open, spilling out all the baby seals that $amson and Loria killed to build the place. THE UGLY TRUTH!

                    For real though, I was at the game on Tuesday night. I literally took a headcount in the fifth inning and came up with about 6,000 actual people in seats. Some people obviously were in the bathroom, left early, arrived late, so I'd say another couple thousand people were probably there at some point. The paid crowd was 21,000. This is for a last-place team that had lost 19 of 22 games and 6 in a row, had its most popular player sent to AAA in an ugly front office dispute, has its two biggest stars on the DL, is emphasizing how bad Sun Life is in the television ads for the new park, was playing an opponent (Cincinnati) with an equally bad record, on a hot, rainy Tuesday night in August. They lost another heartbreaker in the 9th. Why would anyone expect a Boston-esque sellout under those circumstances?

                    The Red Sox are in first place and play in a ballpark that is an attraction in itself. Different situation. And look at Red Sox attendance numbers in the 60s and early 80s when they weren't that good. There were several years when they averaged below 10,000 paid.

                    I had tickets in advance for this game, strongly considered not going when the skies opened up at 4:30 in West Palm Beach, and decided to go just to see the old ballpark one last time. Dontrelle Willis pulled the number down to a standing ovation from the literal crowd of 6 or 7 thousand. The doubleheader was announced in the middle of Tuesday's game, and as Pete said the only story in the sports pages now is the Miami scandal, and by the regularly scheduled game time there was a standard crowd there too. It's hard to watch this pathetic team right now, and with the Hurricanes scandal and an actual hurricane, attendance is going to be low even for us. It'll pick up in the last few weeks as people come see the park for the last time. The paid crowds lately have been much higher than normal, even if the number of people in seats hasn't changed too much.
                    Last edited by marlins739; 08-25-2011, 02:39 PM.
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                    • 2 things, first the marlins playing at joe robbie is like the usfl playing at the la collisuem, 500 fans look like 20 fans at jr in baseball configuration. Second JR isn't near anything, I mean there are a few houses around it, but it was built like the rest of those 70s and 80s stadiums built far away so you could have plenty of room for parking. So odds are no one is going to walk up to it like they would a game at a downtown park like opacy or Fenway.

                      As for competing with major cities, very few teams just get a baseball team out of nowhere and start seling out every game, look at the mariners it took almost 30 years to build a fanbase. Now seattle loves it teams. Even in Tampa we keep hearing about the hurricanes troubles and how bad the qb situation is for the dolphins, so to think a football obessed town is going to put a double header of a meaningless baseball on the front page is asinine.

                      P.S. check out the top 10 signs its a miserable sports city, I made #5 for Tampa Yay!

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                      • Originally posted by marlins739 View Post
                        I had tickets in advance for this game, strongly considered not going when the skies opened up at 4:30 in West Palm Beach, and decided to go just to see the old ballpark one last time. Dontrelle Willis pulled the number down to a standing ovation from the literal crowd of 6 or 7 thousand..
                        D-Train pulled the number down? Nice.

                        Glad to see things seem to be working out for him again. I was always a big fan of his, and was sad when things appeared to take a dive for him. I actually went to school with his future wife, believe it or not.

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                        • Originally posted by PeteU View Post
                          D-Train pulled the number down? Nice.

                          Glad to see things seem to be working out for him again. I was always a big fan of his, and was sad when things appeared to take a dive for him. I actually went to school with his future wife, believe it or not.
                          I am also glad that Dontrelle seems to be doing well w/ the Reds. Too bad the rotation worked out that he didn't face the Marlins, he would've had a good chance to get his first win of the season! (When I found out that he had been called up by the Reds, I consulted the schedule and was actually considering going to the game if he had been scheduled to pitch. But looking through the schedule and projecting the rotation, I determined that he would miss the Marlins So it appears that the May 18th game vs the Cubs will be my final one at Joe Robbie/Sun Life/Dolphin/Dolphins/Land Shark/Sun Life/your name here Stadium LOL (I actually attended games under the Joe Robbie, Pro Player and Sun Life names).

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                          • [QUOTE=PeteU;1921347]...the Marlins not really being all that competitive as of late...combined with the Dolphins starting up their season and all the fun coming out of UM football, the Marlins have been getting virtually zero media attention in town. They have been buried in the back pages... QUOTE]

                            prime reason why metro dade/miami is a marginal market - boondoggle dome or not.
                            the turd in the punchbowl
                            reality really sucks.
                            enjoy the game more...

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                            • [QUOTE=Paul W;1925666]
                              Originally posted by PeteU View Post
                              ...the Marlins not really being all that competitive as of late...combined with the Dolphins starting up their season and all the fun coming out of UM football, the Marlins have been getting virtually zero media attention in town. They have been buried in the back pages... QUOTE]

                              prime reason why metro dade/miami is a marginal market - boondoggle dome or not.
                              It's not the market's fault. It's the local media's fault for not sufficiently covering the local major league team.

                              I get the Sun-Sentinel. Rarely do I see the Marlins' score on the front page of the sports section--it's usually buried back on page 4 or 5. What does get front page coverage? High school sports. I'm sorry, but unless you are a) a student at a local high school or b) an alumni of a local high school, you aren't likely going to care about what the pole vaulting team at St. Thomas Aquinas High School is doing. Yet you have a major league baseball team in town--whether its a winning season or not--and they get banished to the back pages.

                              Perhaps the Miami Herald might have better Marlins' coverage, but the Sun-Sentinel's Marlins coverage is atrocious.

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                              • [QUOTE=PeteU;1925728]
                                Originally posted by Paul W View Post

                                It's not the market's fault. It's the local media's fault for not sufficiently covering the local major league team.

                                I get the Sun-Sentinel. Rarely do I see the Marlins' score on the front page of the sports section--it's usually buried back on page 4 or 5. What does get front page coverage? High school sports. I'm sorry, but unless you are a) a student at a local high school or b) an alumni of a local high school, you aren't likely going to care about what the pole vaulting team at St. Thomas Aquinas High School is doing. Yet you have a major league baseball team in town--whether its a winning season or not--and they get banished to the back pages.

                                Perhaps the Miami Herald might have better Marlins' coverage, but the Sun-Sentinel's Marlins coverage is atrocious.
                                The Sun-Sentinel is atrocious, period. The Miami Herald isn't much better, but they are the N. Y. Times compared to the S-S. Media in general (like many other aspects of life) are lacking in South Florida. (Why did I move here again? Oh, yeah, the 2-day long winter)

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