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  • Im going to show my lack of knowledge of ballparks but what the hey.

    What is the 2nd row(under the upper deck and above the lower deck) pictured below? The concourse or the mezzanine?

    Also what was done to the lower deck of old YS?

    What was done to the 2nd row (middle deck)?
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    • Originally posted by YankeeStadium1923 View Post
      You mentioned that "The original Osborne detailing was removed"....When in fact it is still there today.

      As for Landmark applications you mention "every application faces an uphill battle before being landmarked." It took Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis 30 years to save Grand Central Station....And I would guess she had more Political prowess they I do....

      Do you really think that NYC was going to grant Landmark status to Yankee Stadium when the land Yankee Stadium currently occupies is needed for a conversion to parkland to comply with the Community Benefits Agreement. This whole process began when Randy Levine was Deputy Mayor under Guilianni. He then negotiated the collective bargaining agreement with MLB which allows teams to deduct the costs of building a new stadium from revenue sharing...So MLB will be subsidizing the new ballpark. He then became the President of the New York Yankees. A orchestrated 10 year plan to get the Yankees a new Ballpark.....

      So do you really think that Randy Levine and his croinies was going to allow Landmark status to get in the way of building a new palace for Steinbrenner.....
      "You mentioned that "The original Osborne detailing was removed"....When in fact it is still there today."

      ME: You are correct. To an extent. The exterior walls are original, as you correctly point out in your picture. The problems begin when you go to the gates. Those originals are gone, replaced with the spiral ramps/escalator banks. Then you have the removal of not only the frieze, but the far more interesting (to me) elaborate copper detailing at the ends of the upper deck.

      Of course the deck was stacked against landmarking. I'm just making my points from a pure architectural review.

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      • Originally posted by Myankee4life View Post
        Im going to show my lack of knowledge of ballparks but what the hey.

        What is the 2nd row(under the upper deck and above the lower deck) pictured below? The concourse or the mezzanine?

        Also what was done to the lower deck of old YS?

        What was done to the 2nd row (middle deck)?
        The second deck is the mezzanine, which for the most part still exists in the current stadium although a large portion of it is now the press box and luxury suites, including the owner's box.

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        • Originally posted by Swoboda4 View Post
          You are probably right. I just don't like being called a liar. And that "substantially recognize" thing is just one of many hurdles, so again, you have a point. But once you start picking apart applications it doesn't take much to kill it. Especially if there aren't proponents on the board to help it along. And they were all, ahem, "influenced" shall we say, against landmarking the place. '23 also asked about a dormered cape. Automatically disqualified.
          lets be realistic, the renovated stadium looks like an urban renewal piece of crap. I've been to the original Stadium and the renovation gave the place no justice. The new stadium actually pays homage and respect to what was once there. Perry Green, the architect who wrote up the plans did not take any historical account into the rebuild, Also, if it wasn't for cary grant convincing Steinbrenner on bringing back some form of the frieze, you wouldn't have had that either.

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          • Couldn't agree more '73.

            The renovated YS is nothing more than a homage to crappy '70s architecture.

            The concourses are dark, dirty and cramped. The scoreboard hasn't changed since '76.

            I sat in the bleachers 2 years ago and couldn't believe how outdated that area is.

            Lastly, my good friend is an accountant for the Yankee organization. He has said numerous times that the fans should see "behind the scenes" to see how bad the current stadium is.

            '09 can't come soon enough.

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            • New Yankee Stadium and 70's renovation

              Originally posted by RutgersWhiteSoxFan View Post
              Couldn't agree more '73.

              The renovated YS is nothing more than a homage to crappy '70s architecture.

              The concourses are dark, dirty and cramped. The scoreboard hasn't changed since '76.

              I sat in the bleachers 2 years ago and couldn't believe how outdated that area is.

              Lastly, my good friend is an accountant for the Yankee organization. He has said numerous times that the fans should see "behind the scenes" to see how bad the current stadium is.

              '09 can't come soon enough.
              I will get Yankees tickets to a Yankees home at New Yankee Stadium. And I will take a tour of New Yankee Stadium.

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              • A few people have mentioned the old upper concourse, and I believe somebody mentioned it's actually visible from some spots. Where is it visible from?

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                • Originally posted by David Atkatz View Post
                  They would have to be blind not to "substantially recognize the structure."

                  Yankee Stadium was not landmarked for political reasons, not architectural ones.

                  (We're talking about New York City.)
                  They certainly could have landmarked the current Yankee Stadium, but that does not mean the Yankees had to remain there, and that is the problem. The City of New York owns Yankee Stadium, and the Yankees lease it. The Yankees could haven then turned around, and built Yankee Stadium II anywhere, including the Meadowlands (!!!) and the city would have been left with a tenant-less structure they could not then do anything to either to attract a new tenant or tear down!

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                  • Originally posted by nymdan View Post
                    A few people have mentioned the old upper concourse, and I believe somebody mentioned it's actually visible from some spots. Where is it visible from?
                    If your lucky enough to see an employee open up whatever door leads to it, you can see the original concourse and catwalks/steel beams of the original upperdeck; currently the upper deck is hollow and used as a storage area.
                    ..."I might have been given a bad break, but I've got an awful lot to live for."

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                    • Originally posted by Gehrig27 View Post
                      If your lucky enough to see an employee open up whatever door leads to it, you can see the original concourse and catwalks/steel beams of the original upperdeck; currently the upper deck is hollow and used as a storage area.
                      That's interesting.

                      Why did they leave it there? Why not knock that down and make a wide concourse?



                      If they answer is in this thread just link me I guess, too many pages to flip through.


                      It'd be cool to see that old concourse though... It'd be like that show about secret passages on the history channel.

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                      • Originally posted by Gehrig27 View Post
                        If your lucky enough to see an employee open up whatever door leads to it, you can see the original concourse and catwalks/steel beams of the original upperdeck; currently the upper deck is hollow and used as a storage area.
                        Where are these doors?

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                        • nymdan and I are going to burst through these doors to find the Yankee Gold

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                          • Originally posted by nymdan View Post
                            Where are these doors?
                            http://www.baseball-fever.com/showth...=58009&page=10

                            cgcoyne2 may have found it, check out post #249
                            ..."I might have been given a bad break, but I've got an awful lot to live for."

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                            • [QUOTE=RutgersWhiteSoxFan;1180048]Lastly, my good friend is an accountant for the Yankee organization. He has said numerous times that the fans should see "behind the scenes" to see how bad the current stadium is.[QUOTE]

                              What is that supposed to mean, that the players don't have big screen plasma TVs in their lockers? Look, basically I agree that the concourses in the new stadium will be much improved, but we don't go to games for the concourses. Some of us don't leave in the eighth inning to beat traffic. We go for the game. I think there are pros and cons to the new stadium (most of which, to be fair, will have to be seen before being judged), strictly from a "game experience" perspective; sightlines, proximity of the average seat to the field, etc. As I've said before, I could give a damn if we have a "playstation 3 plaza" or automatic soap dispensers in the bathrooms or whatever else other franchises need to get fans in the ballpark. I'm sure Fenway and Wrigley are "bad" for mostly the same reasons: not enough luxury space appointments for business bigshots to entertain clients; and not enough "amenities" for the players.

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                              • Originally posted by nymdan View Post
                                A few people have mentioned the old upper concourse, and I believe somebody mentioned it's actually visible from some spots. Where is it visible from?
                                Ther was a catwalk that led you the upper deck seats. I remember as a kid that you could see the mezzanine level and part of the field. And you know, thinking back on those days, I enjoyed the team and the whole stadium experience more than now! The place was absolutely beautiful even at 50 years old. Look at Yankee Stadium 3D model by Kaplanski and it gives a real clear experience of what was a long time ago.

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