Pros & Cons - New Yankee Stadium and 70's renovation

[YankeeStadium1923]

You're wasting your breath, '23.

No one here gives a **** about how the community was screwed--yet again--by the Yankees and the City.

It's kinda like the war in Iraq. Bush and his cronies never had any intention of not going to war--it was a foregone conclusion.

And George and his cronies never had any intention of saving Yankee Stadium. All of George's team owner buddies had brand new, luxury-box-filled stadia, and George was gonna have his, too.

The only Yankee tradition the Yankee organization gives a damn about is the tradition of making more money than any other franchise.

I know it's waste of time, However I just hate when misinformed individuals believe that the majority of Yankee Stadium is not original.....

Let them be happy for the New Yankee Stadium just don't use the excuse thats Yankee Stadium is not the original building.....Nothing across the street is original....But Lonn Trost says we will still have the peak through while riding the 4 train....Great...I look forward to that!

[yankees82]

Says who? Apparently you are unaware that the Yankees seized parkland from the Bronx Community to build a new Stadium....But who cares...It doesn't effect you now..Does it?

And the City's plan to restore parkland is not a fair tradeoff. They are replacing parks that are already designated as parks...Others are a mile or so from the Community. Others are artificial turf(known to have cancer causing agents) fields on top of parking garages.

Impractical? Saving millions of dollars of taxpayer money doesn't sound impractical to me.
And your probably under the impression that the Yankees are paying for ALL of the Stadium. Just another lie....But you wouldn't understand that.....Reaseach the facts and get back to me.

you want some cheese with that whine?? cry me a river buddy. i'm there to watch the yankees, and i'd prefer to do it in a state-of-the-art stadium. 1923 YS is long gone and that was the only stadium worth saving. 1976 YS doesn't quite have the history and it's sub-par compared to today's standards.

and you can call me insensitive but i'm not here to campaign for parkland and protest carcinogenic field turf. that's someone else's fight, so spare me your BS and shove your research where the sun don't shine.

[YankeeStadium1923]

Yeah I just saw some blueprints of the renovated upper deck and I can see that you're right...for what it's worth. Interesting...

The Yankees are getting a new Stadium regardless....However, as a longtime Yankee fan who was sold on tradition the Yankees should have exhausted all possibilties of renovating before moving into a new ballpark....Not once did the Yankees show evidence from Architects or Engineers stating that Yankee Stadium could not be renovated.

The Yankees did what they thought was best for them as an organization....I disagree with there decision and see the New Yankee Stadium as a novelty for 5 years then nothing more than a HOK cookie cutter ballpark.....

The Canadians left the Montreal Forum in the mid 90's and the owner recently stated that he wish he had stayed at the Forum......Too bad you can't recreate history. Once it's gone it's gone forever....

[David Atkatz]

Says who? Apparently you are unaware that the Yankees seized parkland from the Bronx Community to build a new Stadium....But who cares...It doesn't effect you now..Does it?

And the City's plan to restore parkland is not a fair tradeoff. They are replacing parks that are already designated as parks...Others are a mile or so from the Community. Others are artificial turf(known to have cancer causing agents) fields on top of parking garages.

Impractical? Saving millions of dollars of taxpayer money doesn't sound impractical to me.
And your probably under the impression that the Yankees are paying for ALL of the Stadium. Just another lie....But you wouldn't understand that.....Reaseach the facts and get back to me.

You're wasting your breath, '23.

No one here gives a **** about how the community was screwed--yet again--by the Yankees and the City.

It's kinda like the war in Iraq. Bush and his cronies never had any intention of not going to war--it was a foregone conclusion.

And George and his cronies never had any intention of saving Yankee Stadium. All of George's team owner buddies had brand new, luxury-box-filled stadia, and George was gonna have his, too.

The only Yankee tradition the Yankee organization gives a damn about is the tradition of making more money than any other franchise.

[MarcianoNY]

If I dormered a cape...Would the lower portion of the house be original? The original exterior of Old Yankee Stadium was expanded upon rather than removed.

Yeah I just saw some blueprints of the renovated upper deck and I can see that you're right...for what it's worth. Interesting...

[David Atkatz]

Also, some people don't understand that you can't have an original copper frieze again. The price of copper is now so cost-prohibitive that it makes it impossible

Really? They can spend $1.3 Billion, but they couldn't afford a copper frieze?

The current price of copper is $8880/ton. The original frieze weighed 86,000 pounds, or 43 tons That's $381,840 for the copper. Of course, the Yankees would not have ordered the frieze today, but about two years ago, when the price of copper was less than half what it is now. They'd still have to pay for the copper to be made into the frieze, but of course, they had to pay for the raw steel to be turned into frieze as well.

Really think the Yankees couldn't afford an extra $200,000-$400,000?

[YankeeStadium1923]

let's be realistic now...they needed a new stadium. building outward of the old one is just impractical.

Says who? Apparently you are unaware that the Yankees seized parkland from the Bronx Community to build a new Stadium....But who cares...It doesn't effect you now..Does it?

And the City's plan to restore parkland is not a fair tradeoff. They are replacing parks that are already designated as parks...Others are a mile or so from the Community. Others are artificial turf(known to have cancer causing agents) fields on top of parking garages.

Impractical? Saving millions of dollars of taxpayer money doesn't sound impractical to me.
And your probably under the impression that the Yankees are paying for ALL of the Stadium. Just another lie....But you wouldn't understand that.....Reaseach the facts and get back to me.

[yankees82]

The Yankees could have built an exact replica around the existing exterior wall and connected the 2 structures with walkways through the existing Stadium vents.

The old Exterior wall would now be an Interior wall....

let's be realistic now...they needed a new stadium. building outward of the old one is just impractical.

[YankeeStadium1923]

I think you missed my point; I agree with you 100% in that it is the same stadium inside. Someone else was arguing the point that the outside walls are the same, when the outside has probably the least % of retainment of the old building. What I meant to say is that the new concrete on the exterior doubles the height of the old walls; its clearly the dominant feature from outside, regardless of where you see it from.

Lets pretend we are looking at the Yankee Stadium Ticket office down the first baseline between the Stadium and the parking garage.....What do you see?

I see the original old exterior walls....vents....closed off openings with cinder blocks,etc.
Yankee stadium is so big that when you are walking right next to it you dont see much of the the 10 rows that were expanded in the Upper Deck. You do see the extension of the lower original walls.

If I dormered a cape...Would the lower portion of the house be original? The original exterior of Old Yankee Stadium was expanded upon rather than removed.

[MarcianoNY]

Yankee Stadium is just a boring sea of blue on the inside.

That's the most important part. I could give a damn whether or not we have a "playstation plaza" or whatever gimmicks other teams need to keep people's 3-year old attention spans occupied these days.

[MarcianoNY]

. Really it's not that hard to see it's the original structure....Seriously!

I think you missed my point; I agree with you 100% in that it is the same stadium inside. Someone else was arguing the point that the outside walls are the same, when the outside has probably the least % of retainment of the old building. What I meant to say is that the new concrete on the exterior doubles the height of the old walls; its clearly the dominant feature from outside, regardless of where you see it from.

[YankeeStadium1923]

Yankee Stadium has no more room for concessions. The concourses are cramped and narrow. I don't see how they can widen the concourses. They are confined to the space within the 'original' outer walls.

The Yankees could have built an exact replica around the existing exterior wall and connected the 2 structures with walkways through the existing Stadium vents.

The old Exterior wall would now be an Interior wall....

[six4three]

Yeah, I don't think they could have without knocking out the outer walls. Which was what Ferrer's 97 plan advocated, adding a second concourse on to the existing outer walls, much like the Great Hall on New Yankee Stadium.

[yankees82]

Yankee Stadium has no more room for concessions. The concourses are cramped and narrow. I don't see how they can widen the concourses. They are confined to the space within the 'original' outer walls.

[curb my enthusiasm]

When I started listening to Mike and the Mad Dog along time ago I liked Francesa better....Over the years I have found Francesa's ego to be unbearable. I prfer Michael Kay. He has a great show on ESPN and allows his listeners to expressthere opinions.

Yankee Stadium could have been expanded out creating wider concourses, more food options, more bathrooms, etc. However The Yankees weren't willing to sacrifice 2 years of profits to preserve history.

In fact, HOK was asked if Yankee Stadium could be renovated....There responce was The Yankees never asked us for a renovation plan.

I agree that Michael Kay has a good show, and I like him better than Mike & the Mad Dog now. However, there's a guy named Jason Page on ESPN Radio 1410 in Connecticut who's on at the same time as Kay now, and I listen to him. Page talks a lot of Yankees, but also talks a lot about UConn basketball and football too. Since I'm a fan of all of those teams, I prefer to listen to Page now. Not to mention that 1410 comes in great in my car where I live, and I can't get 1050 at all. So I can only hear Kay on my computer.

I also agree that Yankee Stadium could have been altered to include wider concourses, more concessions, etc. But the Yankees were probably thinking, why go through a massive renovation for a second time, while the original foundation is over 80 years old? It was probably less expensive just to build a new ballpark, so I can understand their point of view.

Also, some people don't understand that you can't have an original copper frieze again. The price of copper is now so cost-prohibitive that it makes it impossible