Pros & Cons - New Yankee Stadium and 70's renovation

[Wall-E]

Cons of NYS
Nearly symmetrical dimensions. At the very least NYS could have resurrected Yankee Stadium's '76-84 dimensions. The exterior isn't as elaborate and detailed as old and current Yankee Stadium. It's main reason for being is luxury suites. The new frieze isn't as detailed as the old one or the current one above the bleachers. It looks too much like U.S Cellular. The exterior of the upper deck doesn't match the rest of the exterior. $1.3 billion. cost. No history. Replaces the most historic stadium in America.

Pros of NYS
New and much more spacious. Not in NJ.

The dimensions are built for A-Rods chase to 769 (amirite?) home runs. I would much rather see him break the record then have those quirky dimensions of old. The exterior isn't as elaborate; but it's downright beautiful. Obviously you haven't seen it in person, as it's overwhelming and it is easily the one feature that changed most of the negative opinions of NYS on these boards (it did for me). The gold lettering is astounding, and it's the best use of limestone in a ballpark thus far. The new frieze isn't as detailed, but it goes much better with the New Stadium's design then the old one would. Plus the frieze has newer, modern sense of beauty and is just as prominent as the frieze of old. It looks nothing like US Cellular Field except for the outfield; which is 10x as improved as US Cellular Fields: better restaurant, better TV, and better looking sign/walkway in the back. Only thing bad is the seat obstructions, which will be removed by the end of next season. The exterior of the upper deck looks fine: granted, it looks a bit off from skyviews but guess what: you can't see it's problems from the ground level or even the Deegan. It actually looks great with the white slits and the frieze peaking through.

1.3 billion cost: yeah. Wait to the tax release comes out for that so we can see how much we actually paid. If its anything around 300,000 mill don't be too upset since that's not far from the norm. The rest isn't your money.

Honestly, that post seems like something from 8 months ago. I made the exact same complaints then. But now the stadium is nearing completion and it's obviously a jewel.

[tugger]

Each stadium is/was of its time. By 73, original YS's time had past. Today, renovated YS's time has past. New YS - despite a few superficial nods to the past - is all about now, as it should be.

[mrakbaseball]

Cons of NYS
Nearly symmetrical dimensions. At the very least NYS could have resurrected Yankee Stadium's '76-84 dimensions. The exterior isn't as elaborate and detailed as old and current Yankee Stadium. It's main reason for being is luxury suites. The new frieze isn't as detailed as the old one or the current one above the bleachers. It looks too much like U.S Cellular. The exterior of the upper deck doesn't match the rest of the exterior. $1.3 billion. cost. No history. Replaces the most historic stadium in America.

Pros of NYS
New and much more spacious. Not in NJ.

[Transic]

I think a big CON for NYS is that there is a risk that the atmophere would be more like a library than a stadium with the high-priced seating.

Anyway, from reading the comments on the renovated version of the Stadium, I think one can draw the conclusion that there would be enough support for a NEW stadium, at least as an idea. The major difference is whether to rebuild it on the same spot or move to a new site. Especially, if enough people believe that the renovated Stadium is another stadium resting on the spot of an older stadium, then logically one can conclude that gutting the place and upgrading it would be viewed by the same people as the same as building a new one.

So with that in mind, I thought that they should've torn it down to the ground and build it on the same spot. I still believe that it was the best of all possible options. To make it bigger, you would have to not only tear down the current Stadium but that triangular parking garage that doesn't get used except during baseball games. No one would cry over tearing down that. That would result in more than enough space for a massive new Yankee Stadium, including bringing back "Death Valley". Any extra space left over would be used to create a "Party Area" that fans would gravitate to when the game's too slow.

With the new Metro-North station and the rising gas prices, someone back then should've had the foresight to conclude that it would not be prudent to build all those extra parking spaces. Just renovate and expand the existing parking spaces available but then encourage more people to take mass transit by expanding service, by convincing the Yankees to help pay for it, since it would be to their benefit to have more people come by trains and buses.

A huge opportunity missed.

[SparkyL]

Bump

There have been a lot of pro/con discussions again on the NYS construction thread that was supposed to be discussed here, so I am bumping this back up.

[cgcoyne2]

I don't know, its gotta be a Yankee game. They're gonna have all kinds of ceremonies, and then to have a hockey game after that? That'll be very anti-climatic. As far as the Rangers game goes, they should just wait and have it in the new stadium

I didn't think of that but I agree.

Lets start a new tradition with hockey at the New Yankee Stadium and save the memories for the Old Yankee Stadium.

I do like the idea of 1 last NY Giants football game there though.

[Gehrig27]

Is the concourse under the box seats original? From photos of the old stadium, the runways to the box seats look to be much lower and closer to the field.

Now the runways are behind the walkway in the seating area. In the old stadium they were well in front of the walkway.

The field was also lowered about 6ft, so that also affected the distance between the field and the tunnels and the amount of rows in between.

[YankeesFan]

Yankee Stadium

Yes....However, the field box seats are not original. The walkway in the lower deck seats seperate the original and the new......And the last 10 rows of the Upper deck is not original>

Is the concourse under the box seats original? From photos of the old stadium, the runways to the box seats look to be much lower and closer to the field.

Now the runways are behind the walkway in the seating area. In the old stadium they were well in front of the walkway.

[YankeeStadium1923]

So the Mezzanine and the lower deck are virtually the same circa 1970?

Yes....However, the field box seats are not original. The walkway in the lower deck seats seperate the original and the new......And the last 10 rows of the Upper deck is not original>

[Myankee4life]

So the Mezzanine and the lower deck are virtually the same circa 1970?

[YankeeStadium1923]

Where are these doors?

You can also find a door while walking the leftfield escalator ramps(seperating the Stadium and the Bleachers) between the Loge Level and the Upper Deck concourse. Last year I was exiting the Stadium and the door was open and a cop was standing in front of the door. I knew this lead to the old upper deck concourse and catwalks. I wanted to ask the cop if I could look in but I'm sure the cop would have told me to keep moving.....

[Yankees73]

A few people have mentioned the old upper concourse, and I believe somebody mentioned it's actually visible from some spots. Where is it visible from?

Ther was a catwalk that led you the upper deck seats. I remember as a kid that you could see the mezzanine level and part of the field. And you know, thinking back on those days, I enjoyed the team and the whole stadium experience more than now! The place was absolutely beautiful even at 50 years old. Look at Yankee Stadium 3D model by Kaplanski and it gives a real clear experience of what was a long time ago.

[MarcianoNY]

[QUOTE=RutgersWhiteSoxFan;1180048]Lastly, my good friend is an accountant for the Yankee organization. He has said numerous times that the fans should see "behind the scenes" to see how bad the current stadium is.[QUOTE]

What is that supposed to mean, that the players don't have big screen plasma TVs in their lockers? Look, basically I agree that the concourses in the new stadium will be much improved, but we don't go to games for the concourses. Some of us don't leave in the eighth inning to beat traffic. We go for the game. I think there are pros and cons to the new stadium (most of which, to be fair, will have to be seen before being judged), strictly from a "game experience" perspective; sightlines, proximity of the average seat to the field, etc. As I've said before, I could give a damn if we have a "playstation 3 plaza" or automatic soap dispensers in the bathrooms or whatever else other franchises need to get fans in the ballpark. I'm sure Fenway and Wrigley are "bad" for mostly the same reasons: not enough luxury space appointments for business bigshots to entertain clients; and not enough "amenities" for the players.

[Gehrig27]

Where are these doors?

http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=58009&page=10

cgcoyne2 may have found it, check out post #249

[Yoda]

nymdan and I are going to burst through these doors to find the Yankee Gold