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  • Originally posted by NYFan1stYankFan2nd View Post
    Exactly! A few hours later and this would have been a tragedy. So Monument is correct - it became an off day due to the falling piece at the Stadium.
    It wasn't an off day. The game was played...just at Shea. Thats the reason the tickets all say that the team has the right to change "Time, date, location, and opponent"

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    • Originally posted by Anubis2051 View Post
      It wasn't an off day. The game was played...just at Shea. Thats the reason the tickets all say that the team has the right to change "Time, date, location, and opponent"
      Just being facetious. I knew it wasn't an off day.
      RYS to NYS: "Obi-Lonn never told you what happened to your father."

      NYS: "He told me enough. He told me you killed him - in the 1970s!!"

      RYS: "No, I am your father..."

      NYS: "No, it's not true, that's impossible!!!!"

      RYS: "Look beyond my respirator pods and my upper crown; you know it to be true!

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      • Originally posted by paynoaks View Post
        When we were young and in New York, we often talked about the rare occurrence when a homer might hit the facade. I didn't hear the frieze word until Mike Wagner used it.

        Dick Muller
        Dear Dick,

        I also used to say "facade." In researching my book about the renovation of Yankee Stadium, I was coming upon the word "frieze" more and more. Also, during a November 2007 tour of Yankee Stadium, Tony Morante corrected me and said it was the "frieze, not facade."

        -Mike

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        • Originally posted by Yankees12 View Post

          Second off, the reason the beam fell was that it was previously a load-bearing beam before the renovation, and the cantilever installed during the renovation took the load off of it, allowing it to move. After 22 years of being "loose" it fell. There's an actual scientific reason for it, not some whacked out conspiracy.

          Plus, do you really think that the Yanks A.) needed a beam to fall to get a new Stadium with the political clout they have and with a pro-new ballparks mayor like Giuliani office?, and B.) that the Yanks wanted to sacrifice a multitude of home games (4 wound up being the actual count) for that to happen? No way was that a conspiracy.

          I believe your story that the beam fell due to being "loose" as you say, and ultimately working its way to a position where it would find a seat to mash.
          However, regarding A and B, my answer is "yes." I wouldn't trust George Steinbrenner if my ass was on the line. I respect him as the principal owner of the Yankees, but that's as far as it goes.
          He is a very, very successful businessman, and in order to accomplish that you must be shrewd, cunning, resourceful and patient. Those qualities add up to a backstabbing, lying opportunist, and past experiences will show that. Ask Dave Winfield or the Grand Jury.

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          • Originally posted by Mike Wagner View Post
            Dear Dick,

            I also used to say "facade." In researching my book about the renovation of Yankee Stadium, I was coming upon the word "frieze" more and more. Also, during a November 2007 tour of Yankee Stadium, Tony Morante corrected me and said it was the "frieze, not facade."

            -Mike
            Hell, even the plaque designer(s) got it wrong

            http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...pardPlaque.jpg

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            • Originally posted by Anubis2051 View Post
              It wasn't an off day. The game was played...just at Shea. Thats the reason the tickets all say that the team has the right to change "Time, date, location, and opponent"
              It was made up at a later date so that day was an off day. I remember they interviewed the people who had the seats for that game.

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              • Originally posted by Yankees12 View Post
                . . .

                Second off, the reason the beam fell was that it was previously a load-bearing beam before the renovation, and the cantilever installed during the renovation took the load off of it, allowing it to move. After 22 years of being "loose" it fell. There's an actual scientific reason for it, not some whacked out conspiracy. . . .
                I also remember that there used to be a similar joint on the RF side that was replaced as part of the renovation. I also recall that these both were put in place between the original superstructure and the two extentions as expansion joints.

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                • Originally posted by SparkyL View Post
                  I also remember that there used to be a similar joint on the RF side that was replaced as part of the renovation. I also recall that these both were put in place between the original superstructure and the two extentions as expansion joints.
                  I wonder if they removed that one or at least installed a back-up system by where if it fell a series of cross beams under neath would catch it.

                  When a hundred feet of this bridge in CT near where I live fell back in the 80s there was a recall of EVERY FREAKIN BRIDGE IN THE UNITED-STATES JUST LIKE IT. The section that fell was hung between two sections supported by columns. It was called pin & hanger, and the washers holding the pin on rusted and fell off. The pin at one corner slipped out and the whole section tilted enough for some drivers to feel a "speed bump" at that juncture. An hour later a second pin failed and that was all she wrote. Two semis and two cars followed the bridge into the river and neighbors near I-95 were phoning the police after midnight about an earthquake in progress it was so loud! They were fixing cracks in their house's walls...

                  The Recall: All other bridges like it either had a safety catch installed on the column side to catch the hung portion if it fell - no more than two inches. Or, the pins & hangers were replaced altogether by gusset plates and improved drainage at the ends of the span so it wouldn't rust in the first place.

                  Just some engineering babble I love talking about this crap... Still, a failure of this kind at a sporting venue could be far more disastrous.
                  Last edited by NYFan1stYankFan2nd; 09-30-2009, 02:52 PM.
                  RYS to NYS: "Obi-Lonn never told you what happened to your father."

                  NYS: "He told me enough. He told me you killed him - in the 1970s!!"

                  RYS: "No, I am your father..."

                  NYS: "No, it's not true, that's impossible!!!!"

                  RYS: "Look beyond my respirator pods and my upper crown; you know it to be true!

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                  • If I could just jump in for a sec, re: "façade" vs. "frieze" ...

                    In the old stadium, the decorative copper work surrounding the inner edge of the roof could rightly be called either a façade or a frieze. It was a façade in that it was the façade of the roof; the facing side of the horizontal structure; the front of the roof, from the ballplayers' perspective. If a batted ball hit it, it would not have been wrong to state that the ball hit the roof's façade.

                    It could also have been called a frieze, in that it was a decorative band at the top of the building. When discussing its design or aesthetic qualities, it would be appropriate to refer to it as a frieze.

                    Hence the proper term depends on the context, at least when we're talking about OYS.

                    The concrete replica atop the outfield wall at RYS, however, can really only be called a frieze. It's a decorative band on top of a wall, but doesn't serve as the vertical facing side of anything substantive behind it.

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                    • Thanks, Graf. Makes sense to me, and that is why I do not rewrite history by calling OYS's a frieze. As for my wacked out conspiracy theory regarding the falling beam/rocker in '98--the peanut gallery has spoken, with predictable comments. Some of you stated that there was a game scheduled that day, and I stand corrected. My refreshed memory now recalls that it took place sometime in the afternoon, and there were personnel in the building. The game was made up at Shea soon after, on another day. As for the question about the Yanks having enough pull to get a new Stadium without resorting to a scare tactic like having part of the Stadium collapse, I say no. They first started talking about breaking their lease and moving to New Jersey in 1986. Negotiations for more parking, a Metro North station, more luxury boxes, etc, were on and off for a dozen years at this point. If the all-powerful Yankees and their lap puppet mayor could not get a deal done, why wouldn't they resort to something drastic? The NY Daily News and the NY Post didn't think it so ridiculous--they both ran cartoons of Steinbrenner at the Stadium with a wrench in his hand. Anyway, my question was for Dick Muller, who has yet to reply.
                      Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen,and welcome to Yankee Stadium. Here are the lineups for todays game...

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                      • Are there any updated demolition pics?

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                        • Originally posted by NYFan1stYankFan2nd View Post
                          I wonder if they removed that one or at least installed a back-up system by where if it fell a series of cross beams under neath would catch it. . . .

                          Just some engineering babble I love talking about this crap... Still, a failure of this kind at a sporting venue could be far more disastrous.
                          From what I recall . . it was replaced.

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                          • Originally posted by SparkyL View Post
                            From what I recall . . it was replaced.
                            Well, in retrospect now, I hope a backup system similar to what was retrofitted on those highway bridges was put in place at the 1927 & 1937 joints.

                            Seems like there was no need to replace the rockers - since all the support was coming from above and behind the grandstand since the renovations.
                            RYS to NYS: "Obi-Lonn never told you what happened to your father."

                            NYS: "He told me enough. He told me you killed him - in the 1970s!!"

                            RYS: "No, I am your father..."

                            NYS: "No, it's not true, that's impossible!!!!"

                            RYS: "Look beyond my respirator pods and my upper crown; you know it to be true!

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                            • Originally posted by voodoochile View Post
                              error, but how did they know that the front half wouldn't crack and crumble when it is loaded with spectators?
                              In my renderings(Post #3041 in this thread), you will see additional diagonal members added inside the original -front - section of that expanded grandstand during the 74-75 seasons. This helped to preserve its integrity and shape once the columns were cut away.

                              I still haven't heard an answer from our iron worker friend if he knows anything about structural concerns that were corrected in the 50s in that grandstand.
                              Last edited by NYFan1stYankFan2nd; 09-30-2009, 08:23 PM.
                              RYS to NYS: "Obi-Lonn never told you what happened to your father."

                              NYS: "He told me enough. He told me you killed him - in the 1970s!!"

                              RYS: "No, I am your father..."

                              NYS: "No, it's not true, that's impossible!!!!"

                              RYS: "Look beyond my respirator pods and my upper crown; you know it to be true!

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                              • Demolition update

                                The escalator pods are coming down.

                                Gate 6 definitely, Gate 4 probably. I say "probably" because I didn't go there until after the game, and because it was night I couldn't see clearly to be 100% sure, but having seen what it looked like at Gate 6 it looked like the one at Gate 4 was also coming down, so if that's so I guess they're taking them both down concurrently.

                                Here's one photo for now, I've got more and will be uploading them when I have a chance.

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                                What's THAT guy doing?
                                - one of the YES Network broadcasters, after the camera cut to me doing the thumbs-down after Todd Frazier's home run

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