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  • Originally posted by doctor_gogol View Post

    DETROIT - A $3.8 million federal earmark intended to help save Tiger Stadium may end up being spent even if nothing is left of the stadium.
    Ummm, what? I'm sure that money could go somewhere much better, since this is now a lost cause.
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    • Originally posted by JeremyEye View Post
      Ummm, what? I'm sure that money could go somewhere much better, since this is now a lost cause.
      Wrong...preserving the playing field is still an option. Baseball had been played on that site from 1896-1999, plus a few times since. It is high time that continued.
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      • Originally posted by JeremyEye View Post
        Ummm, what? I'm sure that money could go somewhere much better, since this is now a lost cause.
        The stadium is a lost cause. The field will remain. Whether its overcome by weeds, turned into a prairie or empty dirt.

        Still nobody is lining up to build on that property.

        A park benefits the city and the Corktown neighborhood and only improves the area. There is enough room for a park, retail, restaurants and perhaps a Tiger museum.

        You have to think out of the box once other doors close. Defeatism doesn't benefit anyone. The federal money is allocated for the conservancies use, not for the city to do with what they want. The tax credits are also still available.

        If I'm wrong, maybe someone involved with the actual conservancy can correct me.
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        • Originally posted by doctor_gogol View Post
          The stadium is a lost cause. The field will remain. Whether its overcome by weeds, turned into a prairie or empty dirt.

          Still nobody is lining up to build on that property.

          A park benefits the city and the Corktown neighborhood and only improves the area. There is enough room for a park, retail, restaurants and perhaps a Tiger museum.

          You have to think out of the box once other doors close. Defeatism doesn't benefit anyone. The federal money is allocated for the conservancies use, not for the city to do with what they want. The tax credits are also still available.

          If I'm wrong, maybe someone involved with the actual conservancy can correct me.
          Doc, based on my understanding the $22 million in tax credits--whose focus was on the structure itself--flew out the window with the judge's ruling on Monday. A few hours' of demo work on Monday essentially foiled the tax credits. That is why the OTSC did not pursue an appeal.

          I agree with you 100% about your defeatism comment. I'm just one person, and a non Detroit resident at that, but I'm not done fighting. Preserving the field is still a very real possibility--and those earmark funds had better be available for such an effort.
          Jeff

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          • Wow...thanks for posting the picture, Beech. That is what they started working on yesterday late in the afternoon. As they tried to get that part down, the pin in the claw broke and they had to stop the demolition. It made my stomach turn as I was taking video and saw a bunch of the blue chairs come crashing down to the ground. It is a shame they won't allow the public to buy them. Sad to hear the dugout is now gone. I met up with a nice guy from New York at the stadium yesterday and he said he understands why so many people have been going down to see the demo of Tiger Stadium - BECAUSE OF THE HISTORY. He said he won't be able to watch the demo of Yankee Stadium as it would be too painful. Can't say that I blame him. I hate seeing the stadium being torn down but it is time.

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            • I'm not from Detroit, but I saw many games at Tiger Stadium and will miss it dearly. My brother and I used to go on our own routed baseball tours from the late 80's to into the late 90's. The tours usually lasted a couple of weeks. Tiger Stadium was always on the itinerary. This park and old Comiskey Park were my two favorite places to see games.
              Looking at the enlarged photo above, I noticed that you can see the underside of the roof overhang above the upper deck. It made me recall how they used to have balloons tied to the steal beams that wafted around to scare off the pigeons.

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              • Sorry, I was under the impression that it was being demolished in order to put p a mall or something. Still, it should never take 3 mil to have to preserve a baseball field, lol.

                I would definitely love to see this happen, but I really wish that the excess would go to some sort of charitable organization.
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                • Originally posted by JeremyEye View Post
                  Sorry, I was under the impression that it was being demolished in order to put p a mall or something. Still, it should never take 3 mil to have to preserve a baseball field, lol.

                  I would definitely love to see this happen, but I really wish that the excess would go to some sort of charitable organization.
                  You mean the taxpayers who earned it and had it taken from them?

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                  • Folks, leave the hockey talk out of the forum. And, again, treating the entire city and its people as being to blame for all this. They don't deserve that. It doesn't belong on this site, anyway.
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                    • Originally posted by stadiumbuilder View Post
                      You mean the taxpayers who earned it and had it taken from them?

                      Uh-oh, I feel a political argument firing up here.
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                      • No, actually it's a moral argument. But this thread is about the demolition of Tiger Stadium, which I saw many a game on TV but never had the pleasure of being there in person. Any chance I may have had in the future to visit what had remained is now gone.

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                        • Originally posted by stadiumbuilder View Post
                          No, actually it's a moral argument. But this thread is about the demolition of Tiger Stadium, which I saw many a game on TV but never had the pleasure of being there in person. Any chance I may have had in the future to visit what had remained is now gone.
                          You do realize it was standing 10 years after the Tigers moved, right?
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                          • Yes, of course. I just haven't had a reason to be in Detroit or I would definately have gone to the site. Shea was completely gone within months, Yankee Stadium won't make 1 year intact, so I guess we're much better at erasing our past than you guys are. Chalk one up for the big apple.

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                            • Originally posted by stadiumbuilder View Post
                              Yes, of course. I just haven't had a reason to be in Detroit or I would definately have gone to the site. Shea was completely gone within months, Yankee Stadium won't make 1 year intact, so I guess we're much better at erasing our past than you guys are. Chalk one up for the big apple.
                              That, or better plans for the future in place. But that seems to have been the biggest issue, I think. Poor planning (any?) on the part of those who actually would/could have done something with the land once the Tigers made their move. That was one reason why it took so long. I think, despite their best intent, the OTSC would not have done as much as they have done if there were actual plans put together by those who were actually going to do something. A suggestion is a suggestion is a suggestion.
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                              • Sneak attack

                                We can debate how much of a loss Tiger Stadium is to baseball posterity, or whether it was better than Comerica Park or not, but what bothers me is the sudden, surreptitious way the final phase of the demolition came about. The OTSC folks were caught off guard by the economic development folks last week, in spite of having a (semi-)solid plan on the table. Preservationists made a good-faith effort, and were "rewarded" with a sneak attack by those whose motives are not yet clear, but probably sinister. They knew they had to act quickly once that vote was cast last week before the pro-Tiger Stadium forces could rally, and the wrecking crews were on standby alert like it was a military operation. It's kind of like when the Nazis invaded Poland in 1939, or perhaps like when the Baltimore Colts packed their bags in the middle of the night and moved to Indianapolis in 1984.

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