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  • Originally posted by Rob R
    Wouldn't it be more logical that your suspicions would be raised if we came in here when the Yanks were on a tear and the Mets were losing to gloat? At least give us that much credit, that we didn't.

    Neither baseballman or I, or I believe any Yankee fan came in here to knock the Mets and gloat at that time. No one brought up either team's play till Dishy.

    And I'm not sure how my question was being disrespectful. I've thought that the apple was pretty cheesy from the beginning and would never in a million years think that it would have historical or sentimental value to Mets fans. I didn't know if they planned on keeping it as a monument or tribute at Citi and was only asking because the subject of the apple came up by a Mets fan.
    Yeah the apple is cheesy and compared to the Yankees we are still a young franchise. But when is it enough. I get it, we are second class to you. Nothing the Mets pull off is nearly as good as the all mighty Yankees. But the apple is a part of the Mets. You guys have over 100 years of history to look back on. We have less than half. What else from Shea should we have? The neon players? The cheap bleachers? Truth is the apple was an icon that represented the Mets' stint at Shea, and even if I'm not personally a fan, it has a right to be there.

    The question itself is valid, I ask myself the same one every time I look at it, but It just looks a little weird that a Yankee fan is here the day they get swept. I really don't appreciate the way that the Mets are discussed around here. Not by Rob as much but the other one, your sidekick of sorts. Nothing of validity is uttered from his keyboard. I hope he understands that his childish stabs that are given are almost laughable. But I can go all night at that subject.

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    • Originally posted by mets16 View Post
      Yeah the apple is cheesy and compared to the Yankees we are still a young franchise. But when is it enough. I get it, we are second class to you. Nothing the Mets pull off is nearly as good as the all mighty Yankees. But the apple is a part of the Mets. You guys have over 100 years of history to look back on. We have less than half. What else from Shea should we have? The neon players? The cheap bleachers? Truth is the apple was an icon that represented the Mets' stint at Shea, and even if I'm not personally a fan, it has a right to be there.

      The question itself is valid, I ask myself the same one every time I look at it, but It just looks a little weird that a Yankee fan is here the day they get swept. I really don't appreciate the way that the Mets are discussed around here. Not by Rob as much but the other one, your sidekick of sorts. Nothing of validity is uttered from his keyboard. I hope he understands that his childish stabs that are given are almost laughable. But I can go all night at that subject.
      Don't resign yourself to the belief that the Mets have such a thin history; it's richer than some think. Things that could have been brought over from Shea and displayed for all to see? How about Casey's or Gil's desk? Seaver's locker? Carter's mask? Darryl's bat? Dwight's glove? Koosman's uniform? Rusty Staub's Ribs instead of Blue Smoke? Not too shabby, and I've barely touched the surface. I can go on and on.

      And I still don't get how we are rubbing anything in after getting swept? One would think the opposite - that we'd be in hiding. Again, if we were to gloat, wouldn't it make more sense to do it while we were on a tear and the Mets kept drowning?

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      • One other thing mets16. If the Yankees chose to ignore their history and tradition, as the Mets organization mind-bogglingly does (see Wilpon), it would be nowhere near as rich in the minds of all baseball fans, despite all their championships.

        That Wilpon thinks that honoring Jackie Robinson and Ebbets should take precedence over Mets history and throws the Mets fans a bone by displaying that apple instead of true Mets meat (something more significant to the Mets history and tradition) is not only disgraceful, but disrespectful to every Mets fan, alive and dead.

        It's more about the Mets organization itself and not the Mets vs. the Yankees. If you want to become the part, you have to act the part.

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        • Originally posted by Bronxbomberjet
          Your sarcasm is too blatant.....
          Here's the TRUE difference between the two New York baseball franchises.....
          Beyond the centerfield fences says it all!!!!
          BWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
          This is turning into a comedy special. As I have said before, I credit the Yankees on their successes. But how is what you posted an insult? If we had all the money in the free world and 100+ years to play, I'm sure the Mets would immortalize them as gods. Take your Yankee loving self somewhere else, nobody enjoys your act.

          Originally posted by Rob R View Post
          One other thing mets16. If the Yankees chose to ignore their history and tradition, as the Mets organization mind-bogglingly does (see Wilpon), it would be nowhere near as rich in the minds of all baseball fans, despite all their championships.

          That Wilpon thinks that honoring Jackie Robinson and Ebbets should take precedence over Mets history and throws the Mets fans a bone by displaying that apple instead of true Mets meat (something more significant to the Mets history and tradition) is not only disgraceful, but disrespectful to every Mets fan, alive and dead.

          It's more about the Mets organization itself and not the Mets vs. the Yankees. If you want to become the part, you have to act the part.
          And what part would that be Bobby? What history do the Mets have to inspire a ballpark? I don't think building a Shea replica would be a good idea. Fact is, the Dodgers are the Mets fathers. If they were still a team in Brooklyn, I would be a Dodgers fan. I have no problem with the Wilpons saluting a great American. And the history can and will be fixed. Actually it isn't the way that the Yankees honor their history, it is just how they are portrayed as a supernatural phenomenon when they are merely a baseball team. The Montreal Canadiens are rich in history and championships, but when I'm in Montreal, I'm not brainwashed with the idea that these athletes are god like figures.
          Last edited by mets16; 07-12-2009, 11:46 PM.

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          • Originally posted by mets16 View Post

            And what part would that be Bobby? What history do the Mets have to inspire a ballpark? I don't think building a Shea replica would be a good idea. Fact is, the Dodgers are the Mets fathers. If they were still a team in Brooklyn, I would be a Dodgers fan. I have no problem with the Wilpons saluting a great American. And the history can and will be fixed. Actually it isn't the way that the Yankees honor their history, it is just how they are portrayed as a supernatural phenomenon when they are merely a baseball team. The Montreal Canadiens are rich in history and championships, but when I'm in Montreal, I'm not brainwashed with the idea that these athletes are god like figures.
            Bobby? It wasn't my intent to hit a nerve, I'm only speaking what I believe is the truth.

            I'll give you a short example. Every young fan, no matter the team, and even at 7 years old and younger, knows of Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle and Reggie. Why? Because not only were they successful, but their legend is perpetuated-- practically drummed into the mind's of fans by the Yankees, who maintain, respect and honor their tradition.

            Now ask a 7 year old who Tom Seaver or Gary Carter was. You'll probably draw a blank stare. Why? Because their legend is ignored by the Mets, and if the Mets ignore it, why should other teams and their fans keep it alive? But, I bet that 7 year old knows that there's a homerun apple at Citi. If the MEts place importance on it, the rest of the league follows suit, and it trickles down to the fans, young and old.

            For you to ask what tradition do the Mets have to inspire a ballpark tells me that you too fell victim to the Mets ignoring their legendary ball clubs, and I mean "legendary" with the utmost sincerity. '69 and '86 were series that should forever remain in the minds of all fans, regardless of age.

            I'm not saying that they should build a replica of Shea, only to honor the participants who played on the field, and there were some pretty damn good ones. The Mets being the offspring of the Dodgers is a copout. Where's the honoring of the Giants, for whom the Mets have even more of a link to, considering that they both played at the Polo Grounds? Don't fall prey to Fred Wilpon living out his childhood fantasies.
            Last edited by Rob R; 07-13-2009, 12:07 AM.

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            • I was at Citi Field on Saturday night, and the line at the Shake Shack was INSANE!!!!!!!!!
              It was sooooo long, that I had to settle for Nathan's Chicken strips, one level above...
              I just hope the line at Lobel's, at the "Palace in the Bronx", doesn't get that crazy for their their top of the line, steak sandwiches....
              But if it does, I'll understand....
              After all, we're talking top quality steak meat, not chop meat!!!!!!!!!!

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              • Originally posted by Rob R View Post
                Bobby? It wasn't my intent to hit a nerve, I'm only speaking what I believe is the truth.

                I'll give you a short example. Every young fan, no matter the team, and even at 7 years old and younger, knows of Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle and Reggie. Why? Because not only were they successful, but their legend is perpetuated-- practically drummed into the mind's of fans by the Yankees, who maintain and respect their tradition.

                Now ask a 7 year old who Tom Seaver or Gary Carter was. You'd probably draw a blank stare. Why? Because their legend is ignored by the Mets, and if the Mets ignore it, why should other teams and their fans keep it alive. But, I bet that 7 year old knows that there's a homerun apple at Citi.

                For you to ask what tradition do the Mets have to inspire a ballpark tells me that you too fell victim to the Mets ignoring their legendary ball clubs, and I mean "legendary" with the utmost sincerity. '69 and '86 were series that should forever remain in the minds of all fans, regardless of age.

                I'm not saying that they should build a replica of Shea, only to honor the participants who played on the field. The Mets being the offspring of the Dodgers is a copout. Where's the honoring of the Giants, from whom the Mets have more of a link, considering they both played at the Polo Grounds. Don't fall prey to Fred Wilpon living out his childhood fantasies.
                Ok, sorry about that, just getting a little frustrated. I'm not falling victim to anyone. But what the Dodgers represented is something very similar to the Mets. And I can say that there will be an appropriate location to honor the Mets. I have a feeling it will be there by next year. As I have said from the instant I walked into NYS, I was struck with the way the place honored their team. And I can't say I didn't wish the Mets did that accordingly. The honor to the Giants is worn on the hats, helmets and merchandise of every player and fan. And the Mets may not have had their priorities in order but it is going to be fixed. The Mets honored Seaver, etc. like a normal team. Are you saying that history is being ignored when we see a 1986 reunion and now a 69 reunion this very year? I would understand walking Citi Field and not seeing any sign that the Mets play there, but that is certainly not the case.

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                • Originally posted by mets16 View Post
                  Ok, sorry about that, just getting a little frustrated. I'm not falling victim to anyone. But what the Dodgers represented is something very similar to the Mets. And I can say that there will be an appropriate location to honor the Mets. I have a feeling it will be there by next year. As I have said from the instant I walked into NYS, I was struck with the way the place honored their team. And I can't say I didn't wish the Mets did that accordingly. The honor to the Giants is worn on the hats, helmets and merchandise of every player and fan. And the Mets may not have had their priorities in order but it is going to be fixed. The Mets honored Seaver, etc. like a normal team. Are you saying that history is being ignored when we see a 1986 reunion and now a 69 reunion this very year? I would understand walking Citi Field and not seeing any sign that the Mets play there, but that is certainly not the case.
                  No problem.

                  In all fairness, the Mets aren't a "normal" team. Call it arrogance, but this is NYC, and what the Mets achieved, and HOW they achieved it in '69 and '86 should be part of a baseball 101 course. Can you imagine the hype from the Yanks had they been Yankee teams? That's what I'm talking about. They (as well as Mets overall history) are for the most part ignored by Wilpon. It's as if the Mets only started to exist when he became full-time owner.

                  There are Met fans in my family who tell me that if Joan Payson were alive, Mets history and tradition would be far richer. An old timers game with Seaver and company, or some ceremony now and then, just doesn't cut it. They were largely ignored at Shea, why will it change at Citi? Make them gods and they will be perceived as gods.

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                  • Originally posted by metmet View Post
                    I went to the Sunday game this weekend and I was shocked at the number of empty seats in all sections. It was the only weekend day game in July and beautiful weather to boot. There were plenty of empty seats in the prom infield and outfield as well as in the pricier sections. Much more than can be accounted for by walking around traffic. If they can't fill a ballfield on a day like today, maybe the wilpons were correct in making a smaller park. I realize that the mets have to put a better product on the field, but still...
                    I was shocked at the game I went to this weekend, so many open seats and it was low 80's in July, couldn't believe it

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                    • Originally posted by Gary Dunaier View Post
                      Since a lot of you guys seem to like "Shake Shack" at the Citi Field, here's a picture showing the moment you dream of...


                      ...when the guy at the counter of "Shake Shack" calls for the next person on line! Hope he's talking to you!
                      Now I really can't wait to get back

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                      • Originally posted by Dishy24 View Post
                        I would guess the line of people at every game wanting to take a picture with it should be proof enough that it is "worthy" of staying!

                        How come after the Yankees get swept you guys feel the need to come to the Citi thread and get nasty?
                        I don't see anything nasty in what Rob R said actually. Sounds more like you are the instigator more than he is.

                        And tell you the truth, I could ask plenty of Met fans what they think, and I'm sure a great percentage either hate the Apple or couldn't care less one way or the other.

                        Perhaps the line is made up of patrons who are just there because it's "the thing to do" right now and the lines will dissapate as the year(s) go on, as opposed to actual popularity of the Apple.
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                        • Originally posted by Rob R View Post
                          Mr. Met. There's always Mr. Met.

                          Anyway, back on topic. What are the Mets doing with the old apple sitting at Citi? Do they actually think it's an artifact worthy of keeping and displaying?
                          Cotton Eyed Joe. There's always Cotton Eyed Joe.

                          Anyway, back on topic. What are the Yankees doing displaying Thurman Munson's locker? Do they actually think it's an artifact worthy of keeping and displaying?

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                          • Originally posted by MarthaT View Post
                            I was shocked at the game I went to this weekend, so many open seats and it was low 80's in July, couldn't believe it
                            high ticket prices and a below average product on the field would be my reason.
                            side note i just recieve an email from the red sox stating Paul M is doing two concerts at fenway park August 5 & 6
                            I wonder will that decrease demand on the secondary market for the shows at citi field.
                            Last edited by peterrod16; 07-13-2009, 05:53 AM.

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                            • This forum, and therefore this thread, is for a discussion of ballparks. Not Yankees versus Mets or the status of teams or other matters. If you can't live with that, get out now, because there will be suspensions if I catch it happening in this thread. The Yankee versus Mets crap, especially the baiting and sneering on both sides will stop--I will be suspending a couple of recent participants shortly, and will see to it that others who repeatedly engage in this behavoir join them.
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                              • Originally posted by CoreyNYC View Post
                                Anyway, back on topic. What are the Yankees doing displaying Thurman Munson's locker? Do they actually think it's an artifact worthy of keeping and displaying?
                                Technically not on topic, since this is a Citi Field thread, but I think part of the legend of Munson's locker, and therefore part of its appeal, is that after his death it was never re-assigned to anyone, and it was left in its original 1979 state.

                                Worthy of keeping? Cases can be made both for and against it, and it might make for an interesting discussion in a new thread.

                                Worthy of displaying? I don't think so, only because part of the whole "locker" thing to me is the physical space in which it occupied. Having the components of his locker in a specially made display case in a new building isn't the same as seeing the actual spot where it was.
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