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  • mandrake
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    From my experiences, a lot depends on where you are sitting in a stadium. Sitting in the lower RF porch is great in YS, but the upper deck in RF is horrible. You can miss anything hit to RF. All around, Shea stinks, but I liked my Loge seat that I had for many years(1st base side infield). I went to the VET and Riverfront: They both were terrible. Candlestick was poor. Dodger Stadium is good. Anaheim now is a great place. I liked old Comiskey because I had great seats. I hated Tiger Stadium because I had bad seats. I never had a bad seat at Royals Stadium. I am not impressed by Fenway or Wrigley (sorry). I was impressed with County Stadium. The less said about Tampa the better.
    People say I am nuts for dissing Fenway, but my seats in RF stunk. If I go to Shea or Yankee many times, I can compare place to place; but going once does not let me be fair . However, I hated the astro turf cookie cutters period.

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  • CHiller
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    Originally posted by CHiller View Post
    They don't call it Big Shea for nothing. One of the few 4 full deck (5 if you count the press deck) stadiums ever built. Not only is the Upper Deck high, but it is set back far from the field. Don't forget, it was built to be a football stadium too. I always believed that YS had a steeper upper deck than Shea, but I found these diagrams on Andrewclem.com. I'm not sure if they are dimensionally to scale, but I put my old protractor against the slope of the upper decks, and sure enough, Shea is steeper!
    Update! I found what may be more dimensionally correct drawings of YS and Shea. The top photo compares the old YS to the remodeled stadium. The bottom photo compares Citi Field's profile to Shea.

    Shea's upper deck in these new drawings is 34 degrees
    YS upper deck is 37 degrees!

    So these drawings seem to vindicate my gut feeling that YS's upper deck is steeper than Shea's.

    Also, from a subjective standpoint, YS's upper deck is closer to the field, and if you are seated up a few rows, you can't see the field level seats. You feel like you're suspended out over the field, adding to the feeling of vertigo (and also to the feeling that you're right out over the action!).

    Shea's upper deck is set back far from the field, adding to the sense that you are removed from the action.
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  • MattD1972
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    Originally posted by CHiller View Post
    ... but the worst place I was ever at was the old Comiskey Park. Yeah, the place had history and was a true relic that you can't duplicate with these new fangled retro parks. Great views of the field, but... the seats were made for midgets (were folks smaller back then, or did they just not care about creature comforts?), and there was this pipe that ran horizontally along the back of the row in front of me that cut into my knees the whole game. The place reeked of urine and stale beer. The bathrooms were incredible. I could live with the trough style urinal, but the toilets were out there in the open- no doors, no stalls! Yeah, they don't build 'em like they used too....
    Comiskey was my first classic ballpark experience back in 1990. I loved it, but you could tell that its time was gone. I was sold a seat for a game that had already beem removed! Being young and flrxible, and not knowing any better, I just sat on the concrete. I do have to are with you on the smels, and appaently Comiskedy Wasn't the worst. I've heard old-time Pittsburgh fans complain about the pigeon poop at Forbes.
    I said my goodbyes to Yankee Stadium last week, and i do agree that its concourses are the narrowest I've been to in a lon time. The two minor league parks I'm most familiar with (PNC Field in Scranton and NYSEG Stadium in Binghamton) have concourses 2-3 times wider.
    The worst park for baseball that I have seen a game at was Pro Player (at that time) Stadium in Miami. My seats were in the RF corner and would have been perfect for football. In fact, the whole stadium is perfect for fotball, but just wrong for baseball.

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  • NYFan1stYankFan2nd
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    Originally posted by CHiller View Post
    They don't call it Big Shea for nothing. One of the few 4 full deck (5 if you count the press deck) stadiums ever built. Not only is the Upper Deck high, but it is set back far from the field. Don't forget, it was built to be a football stadium too. I always believed that YS had a steeper upper deck than Shea, but I found these diagrams on Andrewclem.com. I'm not sure if they are dimensionally to scale, but I put my old protractor against the slope of the upper decks, and sure enough, Shea is steeper!

    Big Shea- not the best place to view a ballgame, but the worst place I was ever at was the old Comiskey Park. Yeah, the place had history and was a true relic that you can't duplicate with these new fangled retro parks. Great views of the field, but... the seats were made for midgets (were folks smaller back then, or did they just not care about creature comforts?), and there was this pipe that ran horizontally along the back of the row in front of me that cut into my knees the whole game. The place reeked of urine and stale beer. The bathrooms were incredible. I could live with the trough style urinal, but the toilets were out there in the open- no doors, no stalls! Yeah, they don't build 'em like they used too....
    Wow, 30-35 degrees? I always believed Yankee & Shea's upper decks were both at least 40 degrees - just from having negotiated both decks.

    I guess how we actually PERCEIVE steepness is a far call from how steep something actually is. A survey of roller-coaster riders was conducted 30 years ago and the consensus was that any drop on a coaster 45 degrees or steeper "appeared" to be "straight down".

    Guess these folks wouldn't know what to do with Massachusett's Superman(70 deg) or Ohio's Millennium Force(80!!).

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  • MSUlaxer27
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    Originally posted by Ralf View Post
    I can appreciate most people not liking Shea and thus trashing it. Its one of the oldest ballparks in the league (behind Wrigley, Fenway, and Dodger Stadium - Yankee Stadium was built in 1975 as far as I'm concerned) and its completely utilitarian.

    I for one like Shea. I like the railings that people complain about; they're great to lean your arms on. I like the exterior "blurple" with neon lights. I like that you can take the LIRR or the 7 train to the game. I like most of the sight lines. I like the ambiance. I like the history. And most of all, I like that fact that there aren't a bunch of poser corporate types or poser bandwagon fans that cheapen the whole feel of the team and stadium. I'm going to miss the ole girl when she is gone. That said, bring on Citi Field and the creature comforts we've lived without forever. Its also going to be great, once the neighborhood is rehabilitated, to be the only sports franchise (save the Rangers) that you don't need a flack jacket to go out to a bar around before and after the game.
    I'm confused. The Knicks and Rangers both play in the garden so that's at two franchises. I'm a Met fan, but have been to quite a few games at YS and haven't felt the need to wear a flak vest while going to Stan's before or after the game. It's not 1978 anymore...no reason to continue this myth about the safety of the area around YS during games.

    I suppose you're not counting the Jets or Giants, but then again, they play in Jersey and there really isn't much barwise around the Meadowlands.

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  • CHiller
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    Originally posted by curb my enthusiasm View Post
    Great post.

    ... But I was shocked when I went to Shea. I was so high up that the players looked like ants. Not good for anybody who's afraid of heights.
    They don't call it Big Shea for nothing. One of the few 4 full deck (5 if you count the press deck) stadiums ever built. Not only is the Upper Deck high, but it is set back far from the field. Don't forget, it was built to be a football stadium too. I always believed that YS had a steeper upper deck than Shea, but I found these diagrams on Andrewclem.com. I'm not sure if they are dimensionally to scale, but I put my old protractor against the slope of the upper decks, and sure enough, Shea is steeper!

    Big Shea- not the best place to view a ballgame, but the worst place I was ever at was the old Comiskey Park. Yeah, the place had history and was a true relic that you can't duplicate with these new fangled retro parks. Great views of the field, but... the seats were made for midgets (were folks smaller back then, or did they just not care about creature comforts?), and there was this pipe that ran horizontally along the back of the row in front of me that cut into my knees the whole game. The place reeked of urine and stale beer. The bathrooms were incredible. I could live with the trough style urinal, but the toilets were out there in the open- no doors, no stalls! Yeah, they don't build 'em like they used too....
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    Last edited by CHiller; 07-09-2008, 06:37 PM. Reason: added YS vs Shea picture

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  • curb my enthusiasm
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    Originally posted by The House That Ruth Built View Post
    Ralf,

    1st of all, what is so nice about the color "blurple" or the tacky neon lights.
    2nd: Yankee Stadium is accesable by the 4, B & D trains.
    3rd: Shea's upper deck is higher & steeper than Yankee Stadium, not to mention YS' upper deck is closer to the field. I'm sure those sightlines look great thru a pair of binoculars.
    4th: Ambiance, what ambiance, a Boeing 747 passing over every three minutes?
    5th: History?? What history? If you ever want to compare a stadium to Yankee Stadium, one thing you do not bring up is history. They are incomparable. Just stay out of that subject.
    6th: There is no guarantee that the neighborhood will be rehabilitated. Same goes for NYS, but i'd rather go to Stan's than to see 50 muffler shops and a parking lot.
    Great post.

    I'd like to add to the 2nd point: Starting next year Yankee Stadium will also be accessible through Metro North Railroad.

    And about the 3rd point: I went to Yankee Stadium and Shea Stadium last month in back-to-back weeks. Both games I sat behind home plate approximately 10 rows from the top of the stadium. Yankee Stadium was pretty high, but not too bad. But I was shocked when I went to Shea. I was so high up that the players looked like ants. Not good for anybody who's afraid of heights.

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  • flasah
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    [QUOTE=Transplanted Fan;1237453]The second attatched image is basically what they did to Jarry Park in Montreal.


    It has since been remodeled, leaving only the section behind home plate from the original stadium



    Last edited by flasah; 07-09-2008, 03:28 PM.

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  • The House That Ruth Built
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    Originally posted by Ralf View Post
    I can appreciate most people not liking Shea and thus trashing it. Its one of the oldest ballparks in the league (behind Wrigley, Fenway, and Dodger Stadium - Yankee Stadium was built in 1975 as far as I'm concerned) and its completely utilitarian.

    I for one like Shea. I like the railings that people complain about; they're great to lean your arms on. I like the exterior "blurple" with neon lights. I like that you can take the LIRR or the 7 train to the game. I like most of the sight lines. I like the ambiance. I like the history. And most of all, I like that fact that there aren't a bunch of poser corporate types or poser bandwagon fans that cheapen the whole feel of the team and stadium. I'm going to miss the ole girl when she is gone. That said, bring on Citi Field and the creature comforts we've lived without forever. Its also going to be great, once the neighborhood is rehabilitated, to be the only sports franchise (save the Rangers) that you don't need a flack jacket to go out to a bar around before and after the game.
    Ralf,

    1st of all, what is so nice about the color "blurple" or the tacky neon lights.
    2nd: Yankee Stadium is accesable by the 4, B & D trains.
    3rd: Shea's upper deck is higher & steeper than Yankee Stadium, not to mention YS' upper deck is closer to the field. I'm sure those sightlines look great thru a pair of binoculars.
    4th: Ambiance, what ambiance, a Boeing 747 passing over every three minutes?
    5th: History?? What history? If you ever want to compare a stadium to Yankee Stadium, one thing you do not bring up is history. They are incomparable. Just stay out of that subject.
    6th: There is no guarantee that the neighborhood will be rehabilitated. Same goes for NYS, but i'd rather go to Stan's than to see 50 muffler shops and a parking lot.

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  • kevin in az
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    In all the discussion I cannot believe the HHH Metrodome hasn't been mentioned, so allow me.....

    Having lived in Minneapolis for over 30 years, I never thought I'd ever have a worse baseball experience than the Metrodome a.k.a. the Plastic Palace of Noise. That was until about 10 years ago I found myself in Philly and decided to see a Phillies game at the Vet. Now granted the weather was subpar which probably lent a hand to there being a sparse crowd, however, I swear the people were out-numbered by the rats.

    Getting back to the Metrodome. It is a horrible place to watch baseball as the Twins have been forced to play baseball in the corner of a football stadium for 28 years. And if your seats are located beyond first and third, you will need a chiropractor the following day to realign your neck. I cannot wait for the Twins to finally return outdoors, but even more so for them to return to a ballpark. Met Stadium was no jewel but it was extremely comfortable and had awesome sightlines for baseball.

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  • Rob R
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    Originally posted by Ralf View Post
    I can appreciate most people not liking Shea and thus trashing it. Its one of the oldest ballparks in the league (behind Wrigley, Fenway, and Dodger Stadium - Yankee Stadium was built in 1975 as far as I'm concerned) and its completely utilitarian.

    I for one like Shea. I like the railings that people complain about; they're great to lean your arms on. I like the exterior "blurple" with neon lights. I like that you can take the LIRR or the 7 train to the game. I like most of the sight lines. I like the ambiance. I like the history. And most of all, I like that fact that there aren't a bunch of poser corporate types or poser bandwagon fans that cheapen the whole feel of the team and stadium. I'm going to miss the ole girl when she is gone. That said, bring on Citi Field and the creature comforts we've lived without forever.
    I hear ya, regarding the sentimentality that goes with it. That's something you can take away and will forever live in your mind. But, Shea was monstrosity that truly never had a prime (as a stadium) so I can't even say that it's well past it.

    In it's place you'll be getting a word-class stadium and a new set of memories.

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  • Ralf
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    I can appreciate most people not liking Shea and thus trashing it. Its one of the oldest ballparks in the league (behind Wrigley, Fenway, and Dodger Stadium - Yankee Stadium was built in 1975 as far as I'm concerned) and its completely utilitarian.

    I for one like Shea. I like the railings that people complain about; they're great to lean your arms on. I like the exterior "blurple" with neon lights. I like that you can take the LIRR or the 7 train to the game. I like most of the sight lines. I like the ambiance. I like the history. And most of all, I like that fact that there aren't a bunch of poser corporate types or poser bandwagon fans that cheapen the whole feel of the team and stadium. I'm going to miss the ole girl when she is gone. That said, bring on Citi Field and the creature comforts we've lived without forever. Its also going to be great, once the neighborhood is rehabilitated, to be the only sports franchise (save the Rangers) that you don't need a flack jacket to go out to a bar around before and after the game.
    Last edited by Ralf; 07-07-2008, 03:37 PM.

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  • Rob R
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    Originally posted by Yankees2k6 View Post
    Shea is awful, and I never been there.
    You're not missing anything. It's cheesy, tacky (kinda like the Met's 47 uniform combos), dumpy, sits on swamp land in the middle of nowhere, the outfield view is a parking lot and planes seem to take off or land every few seconds from LaGuardia. In short, it's falling apart and not a pleasant experience in the least. Also, the surrounding neighborhood is filled with seedy chop shops.

    Unless they do something within the neighborhood, as much as an improvement as Citi is over Shea, CitiField will suffer from many of the same maladies.

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  • DMR67442
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    MONTREAL FOR SURE ABOUT 5000 PEOPLE THERE

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  • Yankees2k6
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    Originally posted by Rob R View Post
    Shea Stadium by a mile. It's a dump within a dump that sits on a dump.
    Shea is awful, and I never been there.

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