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Macombs Dam Park [II] / Heritage Park (former Yankee Stadium [I] site)

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  • Originally posted by DN4L View Post
    SORRY TO ALL YOU YANKEE HATERS OUT THERE, BUT THANK GOD FOR NYS!!!!!!!!!
    Seconded.

    Thank God for NYS and Heritage Field.

    So there.
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    • Originally posted by Mr. Laser Beam View Post
      Seconded.

      Thank God for NYS and Heritage Field.

      So there.


      "We're relying on you to take the memories from this stadium, and add them to the new memories we make at the new Yankee Stadium, and continue to pass them on from generation to generation." Derek Jeter: September 21, 2008.

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      • Originally posted by WEB View Post
        They already did hire me, and all the people who paid taxes for this and MaCombs Dam Park.

        If they are so successful they should have paid for their own unnecessary stadium instead of hiring the taxpayers while they were out spending 500m dollars on Sabathtia, Texiara and Burnett the same week they ran to the City Council for hundreds of millions more of our money.

        http://articles.nydailynews.com/2009...x-free-bonds/2

        "You may want a new Yankee Stadium, or you may not. But whatever side you come down on, remember that it's your money that's going to build it. The Yankees are alone in insisting that it's Yankee money. Even NYC officials now admit the truth of what we've been saying, that taxpayer dollars are tearing down The House That Ruth Built and replacing it with The House That You Built.

        "Here's how they do it. The city sends the Yankees a property tax bill like everyone else gets. The Yankees write a check (about $70 million a year) to the city for that amount, just like everyone else. But next, unlike you or I, the city winks and sends that check to the Yankees' bankers to pay off the $1.4 billion mortgage, plus the $1.4 billion in interest on the new Stadium. You or I can't get that deal, but the Yankees did.

        "And they got a lot more. The got an additional $575 million directly to build parking garages and sewers and other stuff for the new Stadium. They don't have to pay sales tax and mortgage recording taxes that every other taxpayer pays and they get interest rate subsidies. That's an additional taxpayer subsidy of about $350 million.

        "And New York City now concedes that it's taxpayer money. The city IDA, in sworn statements, says, "The City has chosen to use its property taxes . to pay for the financing of the construction and operation of the Stadium." We dug those statements out after both the city and the Yankees put out press releases that repeated what we knew to be untrue about whose money was being spent.
        Yes, many business' get deals like that all over the country...you may not like it. I do not solely blame the corporations or sports teams for taking special deals when offered, surprise they are looking out for themselves first. It happens where I live as well. Your problem really lies with the politicians/city leaders in your area, not the Yankees.
        I'm sure there are many things, wasteful things you pay taxes for, but you are singling out this cause only. To say you are "hired" by the Yankees because you pay taxes is an incorrect use of the word.
        However I do respect your opposition, everyone is entitled to their thoughts and beliefs.

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        • Originally posted by DN4L View Post
          If my tax dollars are going to be spent on something, I'd rather have them spent on the New York Yankees, than a lot of other things.
          It's my understanding that you live on Long Island. If this is true, none of your tax dollars go to the Yankees.
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          • Thanks for sharing another great photo Gary (even if it is the Mets at Shea Stadium) and congrats on a great catch!
            Regarding paying taxes for the Yankees, if 55% of Americans today do NOT pay Federal Income Tax than exactly who is paying?
            Could it be the people sitting in the moat or in the luxury seats? With all the waste, graft and theft I'd rather see my taxes go into New Yankee Stadium than into some politicians' pockets.

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            • Originally posted by Gary Dunaier View Post
              It's my understanding that you live on Long Island. If this is true, none of your tax dollars go to the Yankees.




              First off, I spend a lot of money on full season tickets (something I never did in RYS), and I'm sure some of that money that I spend goes towards their low interest bond loan from the "tax paying public" that the Steinbrenner's are paying themselves. So my money "does" go towards the cost(s) of this BEAUTIFUL building.
              And I'm sure that some my tax dollars go towards things that I don't personally benefit from that other people do, like school taxes. But I don't "whine and complain" about it because there are a lot of benefits from public education. For instance, the children who go to these public schools, who are not my own.

              Second, (whether you like it or not), more people are benefiting from NYS than when RYS was still standing. The track is 100 times better, the fields in Heritage Park are 100 times better than those "weed infested" dirt fields that NYS has replaced. The whole area looks so much nicer, and is so much better than before, that it's laughable to criticize it and state the community was better off with the way it was, pre-2006.
              But this really isn't about tax dollars, or what's best for the local kids. It's about your hatred towards the New York Yankees, and your bitterness that NYS is a far better ball park, than your "counterfeit, Dodgers' history rip off, that has no Mets soul, FAKE EBBETS FIELD FAIL"!!!

              PS: I thought we agreed to ignore each other??!!!
              "We're relying on you to take the memories from this stadium, and add them to the new memories we make at the new Yankee Stadium, and continue to pass them on from generation to generation." Derek Jeter: September 21, 2008.

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              • Originally posted by DN4L View Post
                Second, (whether you like it or not), more people are benefiting from NYS than when RYS was still standing. The track is 100 times better, the fields in Heritage Park are 100 times better than those "weed infested" dirt fields that NYS has replaced. The whole area looks so much nicer, and is so much better than before, that it's laughable to criticize it and state the community was better off with the way it was, pre-2006.
                You mean the museum piece that no one will use without permits?

                Funny, I think it looked much nicer and more sprawling back in those pictures from the late 1990s-early 2000s. Yeah it needed to be cleaned up a bit, but go complain to the Parks & Rec department or neighborhood watch groups.

                It wasn't the Yankees' job to replace it with some perpetually sanitized museum piece where if you wanted to replicate the Can't Buy Me Love sequence of A Hard Day's Night you could, complete with George's "Sorry we hurt your field mister" tag at the end:



                In fact, as I said a few pages back, it would be pretty much impossible to do what a group of Met fans did for Gary Carter ON THAT field. I mean what if you wanted to make a tradition of honoring Thurman Munson, or Lou Gehrig, or Mickey Mantle or The Babe himself, or any deceased ex-Yankee that played in either OYS or RYS by having a little organized makeshift memorial tribute on their "office" on the anniversary of their passing, or birth or well known date of something they did in that Stadium (July 4th for Gehrig for example). You simply can not, and as long as the restrictions are in place, never do that.

                You can however in the Citi Field parking lot. Which again you keep ignoring the fact that I've brought up several times that they do wheelchair softball events there often. Will not be holding my breath for regularly scheduled local events such as HS championship series and the like at Heritage Park.
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                • Originally posted by SteveJRogers View Post
                  You mean the museum piece that no one will use without permits?

                  Funny, I think it looked much nicer and more sprawling back in those pictures from the late 1990s-early 2000s. Yeah it needed to be cleaned up a bit, but go complain to the Parks & Rec department or neighborhood watch groups.

                  It wasn't the Yankees' job to replace it with some perpetually sanitized museum piece where if you wanted to replicate the Can't Buy Me Love sequence of A Hard Day's Night you could, complete with George's "Sorry we hurt your field mister" tag at the end:



                  In fact, as I said a few pages back, it would be pretty much impossible to do what a group of Met fans did for Gary Carter ON THAT field. I mean what if you wanted to make a tradition of honoring Thurman Munson, or Lou Gehrig, or Mickey Mantle or The Babe himself, or any deceased ex-Yankee that played in either OYS or RYS by having a little organized makeshift memorial tribute on their "office" on the anniversary of their passing, or birth or well known date of something they did in that Stadium (July 4th for Gehrig for example). You simply can not, and as long as the restrictions are in place, never do that.

                  You can however in the Citi Field parking lot. Which again you keep ignoring the fact that I've brought up several times that they do wheelchair softball events there often. Will not be holding my breath for regularly scheduled local events such as HS championship series and the like at Heritage Park.



                  For the record, I do Citi Field, and I have an "A" 20 game Mets package plan, because I love baseball, and I LOVE watching it in these two brand new, state of the art facilities.
                  I made the "Fake Ebbets Field" comment, because the "self proclaimed" best ballpark fotog, who constantly, and boringly bashes NYS, only then to proclaim that he shows respect through his photos (what a joke!), broke the rules by directly commenting to one of my posts.
                  Last edited by DN4L; 02-22-2012, 10:31 AM.
                  "We're relying on you to take the memories from this stadium, and add them to the new memories we make at the new Yankee Stadium, and continue to pass them on from generation to generation." Derek Jeter: September 21, 2008.

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                  • Originally posted by ncyankeefan View Post
                    Yes, many business' get deals like that all over the country...you may not like it. I do not solely blame the corporations or sports teams for taking special deals when offered, surprise they are looking out for themselves first. It happens where I live as well. Your problem really lies with the politicians/city leaders in your area, not the Yankees.
                    I'm sure there are many things, wasteful things you pay taxes for, but you are singling out this cause only. To say you are "hired" by the Yankees because you pay taxes is an incorrect use of the word.
                    However I do respect your opposition, everyone is entitled to their thoughts and beliefs.
                    Feelings mutual on respect, differing thoughts and beliefs.

                    Having written that, I feel the wordage is perfect and your point the Yankees should hire me in my view already happened when my money went to them when many claim they make plenty of revenue already.

                    Sorry, but I also cannot put this on the politicians, Fernando Ferrer fought Steinbrenner at every turn for decades.
                    http://www.nytimes.com/1996/10/23/ny...the-bronx.html

                    This was about a bully threatening the city for decades, going back to less than ten years after the taxpayers spent 100m dollars for the renovation. This was never some offer by NYC because something needed to get done or because the building was unsafe or not economically viable. If anything it was the exact opposite of 1971 renovation plan because this time the Yankees demanded a taxpayer funded Yankee neighborhood inside it's walls to take everything possible it could away from the business community that were there for generations.

                    As for the garages next to MaCombs Dam Park (topic) NYC already is talking a new hotel and looking for developers as of Nov 15th so this field may well be closed again (or relocated) for more demolition and construction based on what could be coming.

                    http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011...rage-new-hotel
                    Last edited by WEB; 02-23-2012, 11:07 AM.

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                    • Originally posted by DN4L View Post
                      I made the "Fake Ebbets Field" comment, because the "self proclaimed" best ballpark fotog, who constantly, and boringly bashes NYS, only then to proclaim that he shows respect through his photos (what a joke!), broke the rules by directly commenting to one of my posts.
                      1) My respect is shown to the one true Yankee Stadium, the one which closed in 2008 and was subsequently demolished, and to the neighborhood in which it sat.

                      2) I would like to know which of the "rules," e.g., the Baseball Fever policy, I have violated by commenting on one of your posts. Please show me the applicable rule, preferably with a direct quote and a link to the source so that it can be independently verified. (The rules do specifically prohibit personal attacks, as I'm sure you're aware.) If there is, in fact, a rule that says I can't directly comment on your posts, then there has to be a similar rule forbidding you from commenting on my posts. It works both ways.
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                      • Can anyone post full images of the parking garage next to the New MaCombs Dam Park permit-only field and the amount of land it actually occupies, from the past it's like a Yankee Stadium itself from outfield to home-plate over several levels.

                        I have a couple and remember one during the renovation as it was under construction.

                        Keller_A_BronxHotel600.jpg

                        One article on the hotel had some interesting analysis:
                        Because the site’s current zoning status does not allow for hotel use, the city’s zoning board would have to approve zoning changes. Officials said they did not know how long it would take before the project would begin construction since the city must make a formal request for proposals, and then accept bids and make a final decision. Lesnick said it could take years before construction begins.
                        Last edited by WEB; 02-23-2012, 11:05 AM.

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                        • Originally posted by ncyankeefan View Post
                          ...sports teams for taking special deals when offered...
                          "offered" after sports franchises threaten to move or other arm twisting, those "offerings" usually turn out to be sweetheart/inside deals that only benefit the franchise - low rent, bad revenue split, "pilots" etc.
                          the turd in the punchbowl
                          reality really sucks.
                          enjoy the game more...

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                          • Originally posted by Paul W View Post
                            "offered" after sports franchises threaten to move or other arm twisting, those "offerings" usually turn out to be sweetheart/inside deals that only benefit the franchise - low rent, bad revenue split, "pilots" etc.
                            Oh I agree, they can still say no we are not going to do that....but they rarely do.

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                            • Originally posted by DN4L View Post
                              ...Heritage Park are 100 times better than those "weed infested" dirt fields that NYS has replaced...
                              anyone (including my father) could use those 4 fields without having to pay for permits and reserve days/weeks/months in advance.
                              now with one less field, kids can't get a pickup game together at the spur of the moment which is the best way to learn any game - not the overly regimented/mommy-fied/win-first-learn-later way that is turning kids off to the game these days.
                              the turd in the punchbowl
                              reality really sucks.
                              enjoy the game more...

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                              • Originally posted by ncyankeefan View Post
                                Oh I agree, they can still say no we are not going to do that....but they rarely do.
                                therein lies the root problem...
                                the turd in the punchbowl
                                reality really sucks.
                                enjoy the game more...

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