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Macombs Dam Park [II] / Heritage Park (former Yankee Stadium [I] site)

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  • the above poster has become nothing but a forum troll.

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    • Originally posted by Coach Bombay View Post
      the above poster has become nothing but a forum troll.
      I disagree - you may not agree with him on his conclusions, but he does bring facts to the table. And he's clearly in earnest, not just trolling. This remains a real issue.
      Cleon Jones catches a deep fly ball in F. Scott Fitzgerald's Valley of the Ashes, and a second-grader smiles in front of the black and white television.

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      • The rules are to discuss the topic, that's what I'm doing.

        It's not a thread to discuss other members because they post things about the topic you don't agree with.

        You asked about the parking garage, I replied what was reported and what I hope happens for the community.
        http://www.wnyc.org/blogs/wnyc-news-...oward-default/

        Late last month, the corporation said it needed to raid its cash reserves to make its latest payment on its bond obligations. In a letter to bond holders, the corporation said that if it didn't do that, it would immediately default.

        Critics like Bettina Damiani of Good Jobs New York agreed with Liu's assessment. "This project was forced through despite the screaming concerns of local residents, transportation experts and good government advocates," she said.

        http://www.wnyc.org/articles/wnyc-ne...n=morelikethis

        But taxpayers have been hurt. According to public documents and two separate analyses, the Bronx Parking Development company owes the city $17 million in back rent and other payments. The city is paying $195 million to replace the parkland it gave to the Yankees.
        Last edited by WEB; 04-15-2012, 04:54 PM.

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        • Originally posted by WEB View Post
          No, it's in default, then bankruptcy.

          They need a full community park, loaded with trees to even START to correct this disgrace if they replace that garage. If those fields have to close one day for demolition the city should claim eminent domain on the 1.5 billion dollar handout to the Tampa corporation and allow everyone in daily with the Tampa corporation paying for all concessions to supply the community.
          The small trees planted around the field are there with the intention of becoming big trees, to make it look more like a park. I'm sure when Macombs Dam Park opened over 100 years ago, the trees were that small too.

          I cant say I disagree with your point though. They tore down a Bronx park to build a Yankees park; and replaced a lot of potential parkland with a lot of baseball tributes. No matter how nice the place looks, those giant walkways around the field(s) could have been utilized much better.

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          • Originally posted by Jgweiss View Post
            The small trees planted around the field are there with the intention of becoming big trees, to make it look more like a park. I'm sure when Macombs Dam Park opened over 100 years ago, the trees were that small too.
            Agree with your overall point, but there are major differences to a hundred years ago.

            http://brk.nycparkadvocates.org/BrokenPromises.pdf
            page 3 (last paragraph)
            As noted in the project's environmental impact statement
            (EIS), the health benefits from the replacement trees alone won't be realized for decades, if ever.


            You cannot plant trees on top of an artificial surface that sits on a roof top parking garage. The soccer fields in 2006 were surrounded by a true park of green trees.

            These three ball-fields images reflect very few trees but perhaps what is planted does take.
            Last edited by WEB; 04-15-2012, 05:54 PM.

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            • Originally posted by WEB View Post
              Agree with your overall point, but there are major differences to a hundred years ago.

              http://brk.nycparkadvocates.org/BrokenPromises.pdf
              page 3 (last paragraph)
              As noted in the project's environmental impact statement
              (EIS), the health benefits from the replacement trees alone won't be realized for decades, if ever.


              You cannot plant trees on top of an artificial surface that sits on a roof top parking garage. The soccer fields in 2006 were surrounded by a true park of green trees.

              These three ball-fields images reflect very few trees but perhaps what is planted does take.
              My point only had to do with the trees around the ballfields. Of course you cannot plant trees on top of a parking garage. LA would look like an oasis everywhere if you could :P

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              • Originally posted by Coach Bombay View Post
                the above poster has become nothing but a forum troll.


                I totally agree..
                "We're relying on you to take the memories from this stadium, and add them to the new memories we make at the new Yankee Stadium, and continue to pass them on from generation to generation." Derek Jeter: September 21, 2008.

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                • Originally posted by Coach Bombay View Post


                  Could not disagree more.

                  Me too.. Another troll.
                  "We're relying on you to take the memories from this stadium, and add them to the new memories we make at the new Yankee Stadium, and continue to pass them on from generation to generation." Derek Jeter: September 21, 2008.

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                  • Originally posted by Coach Bombay View Post
                    the above poster has become nothing but a forum troll.
                    Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man
                    Yankee Stadium 1923-2008

                    Avid fan of the greatest Stadium ever built! Both in beauty and aesthetics throughout its long Glorious history.

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                    • Originally posted by DN4L View Post
                      Me too.. Another troll.
                      Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man
                      Yankee Stadium 1923-2008

                      Avid fan of the greatest Stadium ever built! Both in beauty and aesthetics throughout its long Glorious history.

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                      • Originally posted by YankeeFanBx View Post
                        Wonderful pictures from you once again DN4L, thanks for sharing them with us.
                        The park is a blessing for the kids and I'm sure they are very pleased with the whole thing, and could care less what it's called.
                        I was at that stadium across the street and enjoyed the game and the beautiful ballpark too.
                        Hooray for Macombs Dam Park and the people who enjoy using it, under any damn name!!!
                        I just can't believe they did that. No shame, no conscience went into that decision. Heritage Field or Heritage Park would have even been better than Macombs Dam - even though there is history behind that name also. To anyone using just 1/10th of their brain, the perception of these actions, taken by the City of New York, is that they want to erase any and every hint that a great Yankee Stadium once stood on these grounds. I would understand anyone feeling that way, because that is the truth.

                        And accordingly, when going there or referring to it here or on any other forum, I will call it "Heritage Field". Those of you that don't get it will just have to deal.
                        RYS to NYS: "Obi-Lonn never told you what happened to your father."

                        NYS: "He told me enough. He told me you killed him - in the 1970s!!"

                        RYS: "No, I am your father..."

                        NYS: "No, it's not true, that's impossible!!!!"

                        RYS: "Look beyond my respirator pods and my upper crown; you know it to be true!

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                        • Originally posted by DN4L View Post
                          Me too.. Another troll.
                          If anyone on here is to decide who is or is not a "troll" it should be a Moderator. Calling someone a troll because their opinion differs from yours is no excuse and is bad web form. Someone please "put that in the books"!
                          RYS to NYS: "Obi-Lonn never told you what happened to your father."

                          NYS: "He told me enough. He told me you killed him - in the 1970s!!"

                          RYS: "No, I am your father..."

                          NYS: "No, it's not true, that's impossible!!!!"

                          RYS: "Look beyond my respirator pods and my upper crown; you know it to be true!

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                          • Originally posted by Coach Bombay View Post
                            isn't that parking garage slated for demo?
                            Actually, that garage was open on opening day. The outdoor valet parking lot across the street from it wasn't open on Friday or Saturday. I can't speak for Sunday.

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                            • Originally posted by NYFan1stYankFan2nd View Post
                              If anyone on here is to decide who is or is not a "troll" it should be a Moderator. Calling someone a troll because their opinion differs from yours is no excuse and is bad web form. Someone please "put that in the books"!
                              Consider it in the books. Name-calling or belittling other posters is throroughly unacceptable and can be grounds for suspension.




                              Now, I was under the impression that Macombs Dam Park was on the spot where NYS now stands. If I'm mistaken, someone please correct me.

                              I am temporarily closing this thread until we can get to the bottom of this. Those who wish to clear this up should PM me with their concerns.
                              "And their chances of getting back into this ballgame are growing dimmer by the batter."


                              Put it in the books.

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                              • Okay, it has been shown to me that the official name of the park where Yankee Stadium [I] stood has been officially named "new Macombs Dam Park." Hence, for the pure sake of accuracy, we at Baseball-Fever will refer to it as Macombs Dam Park [II] rather than Heritage Field.

                                This may seem petty to some, but for those who think that, envision someone referring to your favorite ballpark by an incorrect moniker. It would probably entice you to correct them. So, please try to be understanding and respectful of the accuracy.

                                References to Macombs Dam Park [I], the place where NYS now stands, will remain in the "What stood there before the ballpark?" thread.

                                I hope this clears things up so we can return to a civil discourse. Remember, we will not tolerate insults, belittling, nor the demeaning of other members nor their opinions. All such behavior will result in suspensions and/or banishment. Focus on the post, not the poster. (<< I'd like to have that credo framed and posted in big bold letters atop each and every page.)
                                "And their chances of getting back into this ballgame are growing dimmer by the batter."


                                Put it in the books.

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