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  • #46
    Good job jim.

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    • #47
      Back to hitting for kids

      To help get this thread back on track I've attached the following from the Little League's official Training book called Advanced Baseball By Al Herback and Al Price.

      Al and Al are used as the only official trainers for Little League Baseball and Softball International. I have spoken to Al Herback (A great guy) and I feel he believes teaching children is drastically different (my words not his) than teaching adults. The biggest difficulty I see in teaching hitting to children lies between Step's 2 and 3. Any comments???

      hitting 00001.JPG hitting 00002.JPG

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      Sorry for the quality
      Last edited by Jake Patterson; 01-08-2006, 08:47 AM.
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      • #48
        Based on the pictures, I'd have to say Al and Al have kept thousands from reaching their potential

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Jake Patterson
          To help get this thread back on track I've attached the following from the Little League's official Training book called Advanced Baseball By Al Herback and Al Price.
          If you swing like that, you won't even do well in Little League let alone at any level higher than that.

          And, to stay on track; I teach 7 year olds the same way I teach 17 year olds. Obviously, the words I use and my manner are different, but I go through the same drills and methodology.

          I currently have four 7 year olds who are hitting 80% of the golf ball size wiffle balls that shoot out of a machine and they hit them with a SwiftStik.

          I have one 9 year-old who literally fell down while swinging when he first came to me and couldn't hit any balls. He now, (after 10 lessons) hits 80% of the balls and doesn't fall down. Communication changes with the age of the student, but not the method of teaching, or the swing. I make sure they learn to balance, and turn their hips correctly, before I teach anything else. They MUST learn to keep the head still and rotate. Once they learn that, the rest is easy to fill in.

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          • #50
            They MUST learn to keep the head still and rotate. Once they learn that, the rest is easy to fill in.

            There is a great deal of common ground...
            Took a look at your TV show clip and what you are doing in California with kids. Seems like a great place...
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            • #51
              I have had my 10 yr old using a device called a "hands back hitter" for about a year now. It has helped him tremendously. With "keeping the box" would anyone recomend the soccer ball drill? (holding a soccer ball between the cone of the bat and shoulder)
              Also for the rotation a drill that I've found to help is holding the bat behind the back around the waist. Never tried the soccer ball drill above that's why I'm curious about it.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Jake Patterson
                To help get this thread back on track I've attached the following from the Little League's official Training book called Advanced Baseball By Al Herback and Al Price.

                Al and Al are used as the only official trainers for Little League Baseball and Softball International. I have spoken to Al Herback (A great guy) and I feel he believes teaching children is drastically different (my words not his) than teaching adults. The biggest difficulty I see in teaching hitting to children lies between Step's 2 and 3. Any comments???

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                Note: The above is copyright protected.
                Sorry for the quality

                I feel bad for those kids..they could be having so much more fun.

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                • #53
                  Based on the pictures, I'd have to say Al and Al have kept thousands from reaching their potential
                  Actually, it's not too bad at the beginning.... until they start talking about the swing itself. Then, of course, no discussion about what happens to the body. And isn't it odd that the righty and lefty have completely different swings? What kind of training illustrations are they??!
                  I have had my 10 yr old using a device called a "hands back hitter" for about a year now. It has helped him tremendously. With "keeping the box" would anyone recomend the soccer ball drill? (holding a soccer ball between the cone of the bat and shoulder)
                  Glad the hands back works for you. I would limit its use to getting a kid from starting his swing before his front heel plants. And, stomping on the string to get the ball released would seem to promote lunging. I suppose it's a bit better than just using a tee all the time. Beyond that, there is a risk that it promotes too much disconnection between the movement of the front knee, hips and shoulders. The force needs to flow up the body. I guess if the kid is used to the device, he can keep it flowing. Thanks for your observations. I've seen 'em but wondered if they really helped.

                  I'm not sure exactly how your soccer ball drill works out; it would seem to slide out from between the shoulder and bat too easily. Some players, especially girl softball players, like to stuff a stuffed toy between their hands and back shoulder, then swing. Depending on where the toy fall, they can see if they disconnect too soon. It's sweet to see a freshfaced 11 year old girl on hitting-mechanics.org tuck her plushy CareBear on her shoulder, and then rip into wiffle ball on a tee.
                  There is a great deal of common ground...
                  Took a look at your TV show clip and what you are doing in California with kids. Seems like a great place...
                  I assume you're talking about Jim's FirstPick academy in Novato, CA? Yeah, I was sold on the place when I saw that he got the fifty-something woman newscaster in high heels nearly break the camera with a line drive. I took my son up there (we're only about thirty-five minutes away), and it's like Legoland for baseball players, with all sorts of Jim's invented gadgets to isolate various parts of the swing or pitching motion. Lotsa eye candy to keep kids engaged. And with Jim's eye, all that stuff helps him hone right in on what a kid needs to work on.
                  sigpicIt's not whether you fall -- everyone does -- but how you come out of the fall that counts.

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                  • #54
                    I feel bad for those kids..they could be having so much more fun.

                    It's hard to say how much fun they are, or are not having....

                    Through their own admission however, (Using the numbers on their Website) Al and Al train less than 1% (.7% by my research) of the total amount of Little League coaches coaching in Little League. And Little League International (LLI) does not seem too interested in changing that.

                    Questions that should be asked by LLI (Or for that matter anyone who coaches baseball) are:

                    1. Do we have appropriate Train the Trainer programs in place to effectively train LL coaches?
                    2. Are the training methods used to train LL coaches technically sound and age appropriate?
                    3. Are we training players safely from both a physical hazard and biological standpoint?
                    4. Do we have a systematic way to evaluate the coaches' ability to train players? Does that system provide feedback in a positive and helpful manner?
                    5. Do we have an effective training methods that can ultimately reach the maximum amount of coaches and players?

                    For those players, or parents of players who can afford clinics, trainers and lessons this may not be too big of a deal. But a survey conducted in our league last year showed that more than 90% of the players in the league do not participate in this (number one reason being expense) manner of training, relying only on LL coaches and parents, understanding that most are not the caliber of player that warrents private lessons. Discussion with other leagues indicate this is the norm.

                    The reason I have been so interested in the pitching and hitting threads is because of the variety of methods I have seen out there when teaching young players- This, by the way, is not a jab at anyone's method - But... there has to be a way to establish a "Best in Class" method using scientific, biologic and kinesiological methods - Again no jab here-

                    I will be attending the World Baseball Convention in CT this week. Of the 70 sessions they are conducting over the three days, 7 are of hitting and all will have a different twist, opinion, or angle. The instructors include some of the game's best - Dwight Evans, Bobby Valentine, Mike Barnett, Ron Jackson, Roger Lafrancois, Bill Springman, Butch Hobson and Don Slaught, just to name a few. See: http://www.baseballcoachesclinic.com/presenters.php

                    If they differ?..... how can we not? Now, there are basics we all agree with and train. But we would be hard pressed to get two Little Leagues that train the same basics the same way.

                    From a high school coaching perspective this is a problem for me as the LL (Along with the the middle school, AAU, etc) is my feeder program.

                    So again, revisiting the initial question, or at least the intent of the original question, how do we best train 9-12 year olds effectively using "Best in Class" methods? (Not a specific question for any one person- just throwing it out there so you better understand from what angle I am asking)
                    Last edited by Jake Patterson; 01-08-2006, 06:58 PM.
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                    • #55
                      I assume you're talking about Jim's FirstPick academy in Novato, CA? Yeah, I was sold on the place when I saw that he got the fifty-something woman newscaster in high heels nearly break the camera with a line drive. I took my son up there (we're only about thirty-five minutes away), and it's like Legoland for baseball players, with all sorts of Jim's invented gadgets to isolate various parts of the swing or pitching motion. Lotsa eye candy to keep kids engaged. And with Jim's eye, all that stuff helps him hone right in on what a kid needs to work on.
                      What is his website address?

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by hiddengem
                        What is his website address?
                        firstpickclub.com

                        First Pick Baseball Training Club

                        The TV show is 5 minutes long and is a large download so be aware before you click. The ads are 30 second commercials
                        Last edited by jbooth; 01-08-2006, 10:30 PM.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by jbooth
                          firstpickclub.com

                          First Pick Baseball Training Club

                          The TV show is 5 minutes long and is a large download so be aware before you click. The ads are 30 second commercials
                          yea I just clicked on it and it played with out me having to download it. Very nice facility you have going. Best of luck.

                          Here is a couple random shots of our place out in Texas
                          http://thehitting-zone.com/photos.ph...ameID=PA240008

                          http://thehitting-zone.com/photos.ph...ameID=P1010023

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by hiddengem
                            Here is a couple random shots of our place out in Texas
                            Another great looking faciliity HG. I like the way you have set up your cages.

                            The facility we use is www.americasgame.com -owned by Andy and Pete Walker. Andy is one of the clinicians we use at our annual clinics. He is also puts together the World's Baseball Convention held at the Mohegan Sun Arena.
                            "He who dares to teach, must never cease to learn."
                            - John Cotton Dana (1856–1929) - Offered to many by L. Olson - Iowa (Teacher)
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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Ursa Major
                              Glad the hands back works for you. I would limit its use to getting a kid from starting his swing before his front heel plants. And, stomping on the string to get the ball released would seem to promote lunging. I suppose it's a bit better than just using a tee all the time. Beyond that, there is a risk that it promotes too much disconnection between the movement of the front knee, hips and shoulders. The force needs to flow up the body. I guess if the kid is used to the device, he can keep it flowing. Thanks for your observations. I've seen 'em but wondered if they really helped.
                              UM- It actually promotes just the opposite, as the name suggests. There is a good delay between stepping on the string and the ball being released. When my son first started using it, he was used to the kids toys that use similar mechanical releases and was lunging at the ball. This contraption (HBH) forces the hitter to keep their hands/weight back, separating the stride from the load and hip rotation. Not sure how to add it here, but if interested I have a small mpeg of his first day using the thing.

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                              • #60
                                IF this worked, here is the first day my son used the thing: http://www.dropshots.com/day.php?use...entTime=132222
                                and this is after one week:
                                http://www.dropshots.com/day.php?use...entTime=132222
                                This were done about a year ago, feel free to give some constructive crisism on the second one.

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