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  • #16
    Originally posted by TG Coach View Post
    I can guarantee you here a kid who sits back and plays rec in this area can only hope to make the freshman team and maybe get a few at-bats on the JV as a soph before being cut as a junior. We're a large classification school in a fairly large state.
    PM me the name of your HS. I would love to talk speak with the head coach about the differences between the CIAC and the PIAA more specifically the baseball process.
    "He who dares to teach, must never cease to learn."
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Jake Patterson View Post
      PM me the name of your HS. I would love to talk speak with the head coach about the differences between the CIAC and the PIAA more specifically the baseball process.
      My son is a high school prospect. The last thing I'm going to do is interject someone with other ideas into the mix and possibly have a negative effect on how the coach sees my son due to his father.

      "Hey Coach. There's a guy in Connecticut whose going to tell you how they do it in Connecticut and how you should do it. I gave him your number." LOL!

      Besides, it has nothing to do with CIAC or PIAA. It has to do with our immediate area inadequate rec programs. We live in a suburban area near a big city. The competition for roster spots in high school is fierce. Nobody relys on very weak rec programs at the 13-15 age level to get their game into high school shape. You would choke if you saw how bad 13-15 rec ball is in the programs my son could play. It's not an indictment of Connie Mack, LL Juniors or Babe Ruth ball. It's an indiuctment of the immediate programs the kids in our district can play.

      Yet the kids who aspire to play high school ball play travel or Junior Legion all over the county. I don't believe my son would be turning on 80+ fastballs with ease if he never saw anything close in rec ball. If you're wondering about the speed, our 14U team has four or five kids hitting 80. We play 16U Connie Mack teams in off weekends and beat them.
      Last edited by TG Coach; 08-09-2007, 06:13 PM.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by TG Coach View Post
        My son is a high school prospect. The last thing I'm going to do is interject someone with other ideas into the mix and possibly have a negative effect on how the coach sees my son due to his father.
        I have no intention of doing that. I have no clue who you are. There are two vastly different systems -my only intent would be to understand the differences. We can converse via Email I would be happy to let you approve the Emails before I send them.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Jake Patterson View Post
          I have no intention of doing that. I have no clue who you are. There are two vastly different systems -my only intent would be to understand the differences. We can converse via Email I would be happy to let you approve the Emails before I send them.
          There's no way I'm doing anything to place you in contact with my son's coach. If you have questions about PIAA contact the PIAA. Keep in mind they are a rules organization and any PIAA person's opinions are their own. I know of PIAA people who despise travel sports.

          Talk to any PIAA coach you want. Keep in mind any coach may have a different opinion. Our coach likes the kids playing travel for the challenge. One of our travel kids was forced to quit travel to play Connie Mack. His future high school coach is in charge of the Connie Mack team. The dad said the coach disparages the travel team every chance he gets. I call it control. I guarantee you our coaching staff is better and deeper than many high school staffs.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by TG Coach View Post
            My son is a high school prospect. The last thing I'm going to do is interject someone with other ideas into the mix and possibly have a negative effect on how the coach sees my son due to his father.

            "Hey Coach. There's a guy in Connecticut whose going to tell you how they do it in Connecticut and how you should do it. I gave him your number." LOL!

            Besides, it has nothing to do with CIAC or PIAA. It has to do with our immediate area inadequate rec programs. We live in a suburban area near a big city. The competition for roster spots in high school is fierce. Nobody relys on very weak rec programs at the 13-15 age level to get their game into high school shape. You would choke if you saw how bad 13-15 rec ball is in the programs my son could play. It's not an indictment of Connie Mack, LL Juniors or Babe Ruth ball. It's an indiuctment of the immediate programs the kids in our district can play.

            Yet the kids who aspire to play high school ball play travel or Junior Legion all over the county. I don't believe my son would be turning on 80+ fastballs with ease if he never saw anything close in rec ball. If you're wondering about the speed, our 14U team has four or five kids hitting 80. We play 16U Connie Mack teams in off weekends and beat them.
            Here we go again zzzzzzzzzzzz TG, you've never taped your son, but yet he turns "easily" on 80mph...maybe, maybe not. Now you've got 4 kids on your 14u team throwing in the 80's. I doubt it. I'm sure this is all important info for your ego, but again, and as usual, it has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. Believe it or not having a talented kid does not make you an expert on youth baseball...oh no, wait, now you'll want to tell me about your D-1 daughter as though that might give your opinion credibilty. jima

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            • #21
              Originally posted by jima View Post
              Here we go again zzzzzzzzzzzz TG, you've never taped your son, but yet he turns "easily" on 80mph...maybe, maybe not. Now you've got 4 kids on your 14u team throwing in the 80's. I doubt it. I'm sure this is all important info for your ego, but again, and as usual, it has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. Believe it or not having a talented kid does not make you an expert on youth baseball...oh no, wait, now you'll want to tell me about your D-1 daughter as though that might give your opinion credibilty. jima
              It's all relevant when comparing the avenues to prepare for high school. We have a team where half the kids are at least six feet tall. A talented kid that size should be throwing 80+ if he's a high school prospect.

              Regardless of my kid's accomplishments, as far as my background, I've played through D1, coached a BR all-star team to the BRWS and coached 18U travel players who are all now playing college ball. I've been involved with college coaches in the recruiting process with these 18U players. I've also spent a lot of time asking questions of people further up the food chain than me for educational purposes.

              So I have a little idea of what it takes. I've been there, done it. My daughter has been there, done it. My son is on the journey. Also, the wife has been there, done it. Did I mention six other family members played past high school. There's been just a little exposure to the process.

              By the way. I've never video'ed my kids hitting. I've never had to. They've never had problems that weren't easily corrected. When my son gets his hands moving forward too soon, he knows.

              Now before you respond, I'm not the one who made condescending remarks. I only replied. You're the one who interjected yourself into the conversation. I'm trying to have a converation, not a pissing contest.
              Last edited by TG Coach; 08-09-2007, 07:46 PM.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by TG Coach View Post
                I've played through D1, coached a BR all-star team to the BRWS and coached 18U travel players who are all now playing college ball. I've been involved with college coaches in the recruiting process with these 18U players. .

                So I have a little idea of what it takes. I've been there, done it. My daughter has been there, done it. My son is on the journey. Also, the wife has been there, done it. Did I mention six other family members played past high school. There's been just a little exposure to the process.

                You son this your son that...the same post every day. I am seriously thinking I would rather read Tom Guerry's posts over yours. I don't understand the need for you to constantly validate yourself, your daughter, your wife and your son. Why? We all know your son is 14 and can hit an 80mph fastball. We all know from hearing you say it 50 times!! that you played D1 baseball at who knows what college. We all know your daughter plays at a fairly high level in college. And we all know your wife and some extended family played some sports in college. Who gives a flying rip?

                Do you feel the need to always mention this to try and validate your claims? I mean I'm happy for you, great, you've got some athletic kids and an athletic family. But everytime somebody goes against your grain this gets brought up.
                Last edited by hiddengem; 08-09-2007, 08:35 PM.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by hiddengem View Post
                  You son this your son that...the same post every day. I am seriously thinking I would rather read Tom Guerry's posts over yours. I don't understand the need for you to constantly validate yourself, your daughter, your wife and your son. Why? We all know your son is 14 and can hit an 80mph fastball. We all know from hearing you say it 50 times!! that you played D1 baseball at who knows what college. We all know your daughter plays at a fairly high level in college. And we all know your wife and some extended family played some sports in college. Who gives a flying rip?

                  Do you feel the need to always mention this to try and validate your claims? I mean I'm happy for you, great, you've got some athletic kids and an athletic family. But everytime somebody goes against your grain this gets brought up.
                  Only when questioned in the manner Jima choose to use. Otherwise I'll use their experience as a reference point of an explaination. If I'm explaining why I believe travel is better than rec ball at 13-15 in our area for prepping for high school, I need to use a point of reference. In the case of this thread it's where my son's bat speed and timing is from the challenge of travel play, that it wouldn't be if he played rec ball.

                  If Jake would accept there are areas where rec ball sucks it wouldn't be such an ongoing discussion. Where I live is far from the only area where rec ball sucks too. Rec ball not what it was when I grew up playing (see explanation earlier in thread). A rec game in our area would put anyone but a parent in a coma.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by TG Coach View Post
                    If Jake would accept there are areas where rec ball sucks it wouldn't be such an ongoing discussion. Where I live is far from the only area where rec ball sucks too. Rec ball not what it was when I grew up playing (see explanation earlier in thread). A rec game in our area would put anyone but a parent in a coma.
                    I'm sure Jake accepts that there are areas where Rec ball isn't very good. But let me ask you, why was rec ball once good in your area and now its not?

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by hiddengem View Post
                      I'm sure Jake accepts that there are areas where Rec ball isn't very good. But let me ask you, why was rec ball once good in your area and now its not?
                      This was my point. Where as some kids may not get burnt out from the exhausting travel schedule and quit before the big field There are always kids playing in Rec who could make any travel team but his mommy and daddy don't see the need to stroke their own ego's. (Let's face it imo 70% of travel player's are their for daddy not because they are worried about making a HS team at ages 8-12) I spoke with some fellow parents last night and most responses were "well if we don't play travel my kid won't get a look later on..(h/s etc) because now a day's in big cities you have a better chance of being mayor than playing HS sports. I was watching the start of the LL ws on espn last night as I am sure most was and I kinda laughed when I seen the Ad spot about local LL coach's or parent's dont need to throw catch hit field perfect they just need to be there....and we wonder why most talent comes from other nation's

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                      • #26
                        Just to continue a little in my state it seems as if battle lines are drawn between travel and rec. As I have said we paly Rec in the fall, The coach's kid's are on the team the sponsor's kid then a draft. Our first practice the coach is going on and on about we got lucky and got more spring travel kids than most other team's. I laughed and he asked what was funny, and I said the reason most kids are playing travel is because their parents figure well if rec cost's 80, and travel is 800...travel must be better. We still have great Rec coach's, and we have great travel coach's it's just a shame that people look differently at a kid because he choose's not to play a 60 game schedule as a 10 y/o. I posted last month about a dilema in having other teams courting your kid and playing up. Well our current team is going AAA next year 10u and planning on a 50 game schedule with 5 tourny's. I kindly told him we wouldn't be palying with them next year because we had no plans of turning pro at 10. We will just play up play Rec(most tryout's are over for next year 10 y/o's) or take up tennis!! He's got a decent backhand..Travel tennis HUMMMMMMM

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                        • #27
                          I think our town has a healthy view on the travel rec thing. Coaches communicate about pitch counts, try to not schedule practices on rec game days and try to work together.

                          Even at the oldest level the most games any travel team plays is 20 plus a season ending tourney.

                          cost for everything is around 200 bucks for uniforms and the whole season.

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                          • #28
                            We have a travel team an hour from us that plays about 12 games a year in the spring, and when Rec starts they quit. I contacted them and they only accept kid's from their town. This seems like a good way to balance the best of both world's. As far as cost 200 must be nice I think our budget last year with 12 kid's and some sponsor's was about 9,400. Most of that went to our 3 uniforms matching cleat's,hat's,bat bags etc..Hell we spent more time figuring out wardrobe issues before a game than preparing at times.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by TG Coach View Post
                              Only when questioned in the manner Jima choose to use. Otherwise I'll use their experience as a reference point of an explaination. If I'm explaining why I believe travel is better than rec ball at 13-15 in our area for prepping for high school, I need to use a point of reference. In the case of this thread it's where my son's bat speed and timing is from the challenge of travel play, that it wouldn't be if he played rec ball.

                              If Jake would accept there are areas where rec ball sucks it wouldn't be such an ongoing discussion. Where I live is far from the only area where rec ball sucks too. Rec ball not what it was when I grew up playing (see explanation earlier in thread). A rec game in our area would put anyone but a parent in a coma.
                              I believe travel is better than rec ball at 13-15 in our area for prepping for high school, I need to use a point of reference. In the case of this thread it's where my son's bat speed and timing is from the challenge of travel play, that it wouldn't be if he played rec ball.



                              I HAVE to agree with TG on this matter...REC ball Sucks by us to..in travel the kid sees way more at bats with high quality pitching,,and that does matter

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by wogdoggy View Post
                                I believe travel is better than rec ball at 13-15 in our area for prepping for high school, I need to use a point of reference. In the case of this thread it's where my son's bat speed and timing is from the challenge of travel play, that it wouldn't be if he played rec ball.



                                I HAVE to agree with TG on this matter...REC ball Sucks by us to..in travel the kid sees way more at bats with high quality pitching,,and that does matter
                                I think we all agree that Rec is bad in most area's my question was do any of you think that the extreme schedule's force, and burn out alot of kid's with potential and chase them to another sport pre big field? (Some parent's can't keep up as well) I understand that most of your children are older and as alway's I come here for my advice hoping to learn from your experience's. Is TB pre big field ruining youth baseball in America?

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