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  • #31

    "Down and to" the ball.....

    vs.


    "Behind and through" the ball....

    The concepts have been discussed here for quite a while now, and it's good to see some of the guys who discussed (argued?) the changes or differences from what was being taught at all levels back in the day finally being rewarded for it. Tewks also in the mix here, and elsewhere early on, and we've seen his success story, and he more or less just followed, and refined what others before him were saying for sometime already.
    Last edited by mudvnine; 06-19-2017, 04:23 PM. Reason: Fixed "expired" clips...whatever that's all about. =[
    In memory of "Catchingcoach" - Dave Weaver: February 28, 1955 - June 17, 2011

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    • #32
      Originally posted by mudvnine View Post
      Yeah, Idk who's saying or doing what with him, and why I'm letting others draw whatever conclusions they will. Heck, earlier this season I heard ARod talking about the Ferris wheel out of the blue on one of the baseball talk shows about someone's swing, and was kind of shocked, but had to laugh at the same time. Funny how things go sometimes.

      But let me just point out this that you may have heard here in the past.....


      "Down and to" the ball.....

      vs.


      "Behind and through" the ball....

      The concepts have been discussed here for quite a while now, and it's good to see some of the guys who discussed (argued?) the changes or differences from what was being taught at all levels back in the day finally being rewarded for it. Tewks also in the mix here, and elsewhere early on, and we've seen his success story, and he more or less just followed, and refined what others before him were saying for sometime already.




      Who knows, Arod may actually be a member of this forum

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Tman View Post

        Yes his BABIP is running high, but couldn't that be partly because of the HRs? He's running about 1 per 10 ABs.

        I don't disagree that he'll have to come down to earth a little but it's totally fair to be in awe of what he's doing in his rookie season. He's .081 ahead of everybody in baseball in OPS. If the season ended today he might be ROY and MVP. He's hitting homeruns harder than anybody's seen in the Statcast era. Oh, and he's the biggest position player in the history of baseball. He makes Matt Holliday look almost small when they stand next to each other and Holliday's a huge man, the size of an NFL linebacker.

        So I'm not penciling him in for Cooperstown at this point but wow, plenty to gawk at.
        Babip actually excludes home runs. Because of that some pure sluggers tend to have lower babips because they hit many fly balls and those are often either outs or homers. That is especially true for pull fly ball hitters (bautista, dozier).

        but of course his babip is related to the strength of his contact, he hits the ball very hard and is neither an extreme fly ball nor pull hitter so he also gets a lot of non Homer production. I think he can run a high babip above 330 but not 400.
        I now have my own non commercial blog about training for batspeed and power using my training experience in baseball and track and field.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by songtitle View Post
          At 285 pounds, he has 40% more lean muscle mass than a 200 pound man

          This is the same difference between a 142 pound HS freshman kid and a 200 pound MLB player.

          So, Judge's technique doesn't have to be near as good as the 200 pound player.
          The power is easy for him but covering a huge strike zone and make consistent contact with his long levers isn't. The challenge for him is barrel the ball consistently, not chase pitches out of the zone and keep the strikeouts at least somewhat in check.
          I now have my own non commercial blog about training for batspeed and power using my training experience in baseball and track and field.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by dominik View Post

            Babip actually excludes home runs. Because of that some pure sluggers tend to have lower babips because they hit many fly balls and those are often either outs or homers. That is especially true for pull fly ball hitters (bautista, dozier).

            but of course his babip is related to the strength of his contact, he hits the ball very hard and is neither an extreme fly ball nor pull hitter so he also gets a lot of non Homer production. I think he can run a high babip above 330 but not 400.
            Oh okay I actually didn't realize it excluded them.

            But yeah, BABIP does tend to normalize over time. My question would be if he could be a high OBP, 30+ HR guy. He's showing some good signs, he's already got 44 BBs in 283 PAs.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by mudvnine View Post

              "Down and to" the ball.....

              vs.


              "Behind and through" the ball....

              The concepts have been discussed here for quite a while now, and it's good to see some of the guys who discussed (argued?) the changes or differences from what was being taught at all levels back in the day finally being rewarded for it. Tewks also in the mix here, and elsewhere early on, and we've seen his success story, and he more or less just followed, and refined what others before him were saying for sometime already.

              What is the easiest way to teach behind and through the ball?
              Baseball was, is and always will be to me the best game in the world.
              (Babe Ruth)

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              • #37
                Originally posted by kimbercarry View Post
                What is the easiest way to teach behind and through the ball?
                "Easiest"? OK....teach them, "hips then hands", and "hit the ball with your rear hip".

                Or maybe the better answer....is that there is no general "easiest" way, but rather seeing what each individual hitter is doing that's causing him to get his weight shifted forward before swinging, and correcting that. Most of the times it's a timing issue related to how they've been taught to stride to the ball, and then start their swing.

                I hear it all the time, and actually have to chuckle at it a little bit...that of youth hitting coaches telling their hitters to "Stay back, and..." in the very same breath yelling for them to, "....remember to get your stride down early!" So are are these poor kids supposed to "stay back" (or keep their weight back) when they're taught to "stride forward" before swinging?

                Look at what Aaron does with his weight transfer/shift (and front leg) in these two clips.....

                ...look closely at the relationship of his lead leg movements/directions, and that of his bat/barrel in the timing of both swing. I'll let you study them, and see what you think, before I give you my two cents about them.

                Little Hint: Look at how/where he "separates" differently in the two swings. One is "separation" between the front foot, and the hands, while the other is between the rear hip, and the hands. OK, maybe too much...I'll stop now. =)
                In memory of "Catchingcoach" - Dave Weaver: February 28, 1955 - June 17, 2011

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by mudvnine View Post
                  "Easiest"? OK....teach them, "hips then hands", and "hit the ball with your rear hip".

                  Or maybe the better answer....is that there is no general "easiest" way, but rather seeing what each individual hitter is doing that's causing him to get his weight shifted forward before swinging, and correcting that. Most of the times it's a timing issue related to how they've been taught to stride to the ball, and then start their swing.

                  I hear it all the time, and actually have to chuckle at it a little bit...that of youth hitting coaches telling their hitters to "Stay back, and..." in the very same breath yelling for them to, "....remember to get your stride down early!" So are are these poor kids supposed to "stay back" (or keep their weight back) when they're taught to "stride forward" before swinging?

                  Look at what Aaron does with his weight transfer/shift (and front leg) in these two clips.....

                  ...look closely at the relationship of his lead leg movements/directions, and that of his bat/barrel in the timing of both swing. I'll let you study them, and see what you think, before I give you my two cents about them.

                  Little Hint: Look at how/where he "separates" differently in the two swings. One is "separation" between the front foot, and the hands, while the other is between the rear hip, and the hands. OK, maybe too much...I'll stop now. =)
                  You think the more upright position of the bat during launch was a conscious change or just the result of creating better separation?

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by pattar View Post
                    You think the more upright position of the bat during launch was a conscious change or just the result of creating better separation?
                    I believe that that comes from "step two" in the process...learning about when and how to "turn the barrel", and changing his handset from above his rear shoulder to in front of it in preparation for that.

                    That's why I wrote "Easiest?" earlier...trying to imply that there is no one "easiest" way to go about it with different hitters. What you have to do with one, may turn out to not work, or even turn out to be detrimental to another...simply because each hitter has a different proprioception of how they want to move their body in order to accomplish a certain task, so the "cookie cutter" approach to teaching hitting that is so prevalent at most places can be problematic in many cases.
                    In memory of "Catchingcoach" - Dave Weaver: February 28, 1955 - June 17, 2011

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by mudvnine View Post
                      Look at what Aaron does with his weight transfer/shift (and front leg) in these two clips.....

                      ...look closely at the relationship of his lead leg movements/directions, and that of his bat/barrel in the timing of both swing. I'll let you study them, and see what you think, before I give you my two cents about them.

                      Little Hint: Look at how/where he "separates" differently in the two swings. One is "separation" between the front foot, and the hands, while the other is between the rear hip, and the hands. OK, maybe too much...I'll stop now. =)
                      I like your choice of words within this post. In my opinion, this is a good example of a hitter that has front leg action that does not interfere with the rear hip/leg. I know that some people don't care for the term "independent", but as long as the actions are complimentary, I really don't see a problem (just words...). On the left, not only are the actions "independent", but the front leg inhibits his ability to get efficient separation. To be honest, the look of that swing is just awkward to me. The swing on the right has a much more pronounced look of "hips then hands".
                      "Once you stop learning, you start dying" -- Albert Einstein.

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