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  • "Throw Your Hands"

    Can you tell me all the reasons why this is a terrible batting cue?
    Coaching experience: Managed 5 Little League teams and coached on 4 others. So, what do I know?

  • #2
    I won't say "terrible", because I've found that it's more the context in which a cue is used, and when (and by whom) is more important than the actual cue itself. IOWs, the cue "Throw your hands" simply parroted to hitter by a well-meaning but uneducated coach can lead a player to become a shoulders/arms swinger, neglecting the more powerful lower half (legs/hips) in his swing when attempting to apply the cue on its own.

    However, if the proper overall sequence is taught to a hitter, and he's still having trouble releasing the barrel at the right time to the ball, sometimes the cue can help in freeing the players mind in thinking about attacking the ball more aggressively in the actual launch portion of the swing. Personally I prefer the "Throw the barrel at the ball" cue if I were to use something like that, rather than just "throw your hands", but that's just my personal opinion.
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    • #3
      I would follow with, "What do you mean? Show me."

      I've heard this cue then seen the person demonstrate driving the hands through the swing. I've seen other people say it and it's really poor instruction that gets the hands too far from the body. A lot of verbal hitting instruction requires and explanation and/or demonstration of what the person means. It's why I typically stay removed from online hitting conversations.

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      • #4
        Imagine a coach or parent yelling out 'throw your hands', then a minute later 'stay back'. Both are nonsense cues IMO of course.

        Why give a cue where if they literally do exactly what you told them will ruin their swing.

        This usually leads to disconnecting the front bicep from the torso (after hip slot)..
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        • #5
          Any cue used by a coach/hitting instructor has to be viewed in the context it is used, demonstrated and then reinforced in practice or lessons. I like point the knob, throw the barrel. To me, this is what I see. However, I can say that all day and the hitter might not understand. So, I show video of MLB Players and freeze the video at points where I am making my point.

          I don't like the "throw your hands" cue because, imo, it can lead to a push swing. As Mud alluded to, it can also lead to an armsy swing.
          Granny said Sonny stick to your guns if you believe in something no matter what. Because it's better to be hated for who you are than to be loved for who you're not.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by JettSixty View Post
            I would follow with, "What do you mean? Show me."
            We actually had this three way conversation in my house last spring:

            Son: The (MS) coach is constantly yelling me at practice - telling me to swing level and throw my hands - when hitting.
            Me: The next time he says "throw your hands" tell him that you don't understand what that means and ask him to show you. After he shows you, ask him "Why is this going to make me a better hitter?"
            My wife: If he does that, he's going to get benched,
            Son: She is right.

            And, that was the end of the conversation.

            Coaching experience: Managed 5 Little League teams and coached on 4 others. So, what do I know?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Francis7 View Post

              We actually had this three way conversation in my house last spring:

              Son: The (MS) coach is constantly yelling me at practice - telling me to swing level and throw my hands - when hitting.
              Me: The next time he says "throw your hands" tell him that you don't understand what that means and ask him to show you. After he shows you, ask him "Why is this going to make me a better hitter?"
              My wife: If he does that, he's going to get benched,
              Son: She is right.

              And, that was the end of the conversation.
              Your wife AND your son are really smart. lol.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Francis7 View Post
                Can you tell me all the reasons why this is a terrible batting cue?
                I think it is bad because it means that you generate power with the arms and whip the bat out front but it is a cue that he will hear all the way up to pro ball if he makes it that far so get used to it now.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by $tinky View Post

                  Your wife AND your son are really smart. lol.
                  LOL. Yeah. At this stage, I think they both would be better without me!
                  Coaching experience: Managed 5 Little League teams and coached on 4 others. So, what do I know?

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                  • #10
                    This guy Yeager who has been a pretty respected hitting instructor has characterized the swing as a "throw". Another well respected guy, Chris Burke, often uses the analogy of the swing being simply a sidearm "throw". Tewks, Donaldson's guy has said similar stuff. A ton of big timers, including Pujois and Ayala (Domingo), have used the phrase.

                    I think having an action word in there -"throw"- could maybe help a passive hitter be a little more aggressive. I like to use the analogy regarding the "throw" to point out that when a ball is thrown a thrower who "muscles up" and squeezes the ball will not have nearly the velocity as a thrower who grips the ball loosely. Same with the grip for most hitters.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by omg View Post
                      This guy Yeager who has been a pretty respected hitting instructor has characterized the swing as a "throw". Another well respected guy, Chris Burke, often uses the analogy of the swing being simply a sidearm "throw". Tewks, Donaldson's guy has said similar stuff. A ton of big timers, including Pujois and Ayala (Domingo), have used the phrase.

                      I think having an action word in there -"throw"- could maybe help a passive hitter be a little more aggressive. I like to use the analogy regarding the "throw" to point out that when a ball is thrown a thrower who "muscles up" and squeezes the ball will not have nearly the velocity as a thrower who grips the ball loosely. Same with the grip for most hitters.
                      There is a major difference between "throw your hands" and characterizing hitting as a throwing motion in that the emphasis is on how the total body responds instead of just the hands.
                      Granny said Sonny stick to your guns if you believe in something no matter what. Because it's better to be hated for who you are than to be loved for who you're not.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by songtitle View Post
                        Imagine a coach or parent yelling out 'throw your hands', then a minute later 'stay back'. Both are nonsense cues IMO of course.

                        Why give a cue where if they literally do exactly what you told them will ruin their swing.

                        This usually leads to disconnecting the front bicep from the torso (after hip slot)..
                        Song -
                        I've read a lot of your posts over the years (and agree with most of them), so I should probably know the answer to this question, but why is "stay back" a nonsense cue?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by johnlanza View Post

                          Song -
                          I've read a lot of your posts over the years (and agree with most of them), so I should probably know the answer to this question, but why is "stay back" a nonsense cue?
                          Hi John. I would ask you what limb/event/action is exactly supposed to 'stay back'? You are striding forward as you swing. You can't hold that back. Are you supposed to pause/stop your swing somewhere in the middle? What is a kid supposed to do with that cue? That's all I'm saying. Coaches/Dads/kids don't know what it means. It confuses everybody. It's just 'nonsense'.

                          If you're swinging too early, this cue won't help. It will likely hurt. Something along the lines of 'start striding on hand break' (or thereabouts) would be infinitely better. (Also, on a related note, many times kids have actually discarded their stride, which upsets their timing, so they start moving their arms too soon)

                          If you are disconnecting your front bicep, after hip slot, then the cue won't help that either.
                          Last edited by songtitle; 08-13-2017, 08:30 PM.
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                          • #14
                            I had a lot of nonsensical queues that I used when coaching my son. I never used them for anyone else because the other players wouldn't have known what they meant. These were tailored to my instruction and my son understood the meaning of things like, "stride, show foot, twist, hunch, etc."

                            So it depends on the meaning of the "throw your hands." That could just be the verbal cue assigned to a movement that the kids were trained to do that the coach called something simple like "throw your hands." The chosen verbal phrase doesn't mean anything unless you also know what the physical movement assigned to the phrase is.

                            Unless of course, if it is just some random dad know-it-all saying the same thing to every kid from the bleachers, then it is meaningless and the kid shouldn't be listening to them anyway.

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                            • #15
                              It's terrible because no good hitter really does it. But it works sometimes because no good hitter actually does it.

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