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  • #16
    Originally posted by dominik View Post

    I think this problem often occurs when coaches want to teach upward bat path but still teach the old school extend the knob kind of swing. I think that is a problem with some of the new coaches. The first generation of the Internet analysis community thought a lot about body positions, tilt, connection, turn the barrel...

    now Many just focus on bat path and launch angle without worrying on how to get there. Result is often a swing that works only very far out front because you first extend the knob down and then pull up.

    I think bat path and launch angle is helpful but you can take the self correction thing too far. There was a pretty heated argument about this on Twitter (I think between baseball rebellion and driveline) but I think there is a place for both. Sometimes just checking for launch angle and self correcting to get there can work but sometimes a mix from rudimentary traditional cues and result feedback isn't enough and you actually need to teach some movements.
    All true, dominik. You and skipper5 always hit the head on the nail, or at least the way I see it. But what do we know. Anyways, who's to say that a guy will not keep the hands inside and the path up without any freakin' instruction whatsoever. Plenty of guys do or did before everyone got 9 zillion lessons. What would cause a kid -absent instruction- to caste or hit too far out front is getting pull happy or power happy- they try to repeat that long pulled double or hr and start getting around the ball. So that's mental and that's discipline. Fear also factors in a lot-leaking away from the ball. Again, mental. But the natural swing is inside and slightly up if the goal- the end result- is line drives to all fields. Like Henry Aaron said: "Instruction? I thought that was for white boys."

    George Brett, the last guy I think to hit .390 and with power, always gave Charlie Lau tons of credit. So Brett was thinking down, he was thinking lead arm extension, he was thinking front leg. But you know he seemed to have no trouble hitting a ton of moon shots (see Gossage, Goose). Now if he had beat a ton of weak topped balls to the pitcher or first baseman do you not think he would have made some natural adjustments? Anyone with an IQ over 70 and under 140 would if they wanted some results. And you go by the results you get.
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    • #17
      Sure there are guys who do things naturally. There is no 100% "natural" swing and everyone is taught but some of the underlying movements are already there for some athletes after one or two tries while others need intense drilling for every small sub move.

      In the end it only matters whether you can do it no matter where it is learned.btw even many of the so called natural moves might have been learned subconsciously while climbing trees, fighting the brother, playing the playground or doing another sport.

      that is why acquiring a rich "library" of movements as a kid is valuable, it makes you learn so much faster.

      btw with my kids I have started to use movements I want them to learn later for the swing in warm up gymnastics without telling them it is baseball specific. Hope that will help them to pick the new movements easier in a baseball context
      I now have my own non commercial blog about training for batspeed and power using my training experience in baseball and track and field.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by dominik View Post
        ... "library" .....

        btw with my kids I have started to use movements I want them to learn later for the swing in warm up gymnastics without telling them it is baseball specific. Hope that will help them to pick the new movements easier in a baseball context
        Yeah, one reason why kids from Fla. are often more advanced is not just because of the weather but because they can hang out at the spring training sites and pick up the moves by osmosis. Ditto Dominican Republic. Copy and model. A thousand pictures is worth more than one word.

        Also, the idea of using warmup moves that are baseball specific is great. Why do shuffles, for example, when you could be killing two birds with one stone and practice the delayed steal? Why not get them in the fielding position as a stretch? Why not do all of the baseball legwork but slowly? And so forth.
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        • #19
          I was watching a Pirates/Reds game the other week and they had a segment about Aristides Aquino using the line drive pro and he credited it with helping him.

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