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    In general, assuming they're equally competent, a volunteer coach is more likely to dedicate 100% than a paid coach because at some point the paid coach realizes that his salary represents a very low hourly wage, which saps his willingness to provide a fanatical level of devotion to his job.

    Last edited by skipper5; 06-06-2018, 08:11 PM.

  • FP26
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    I agree with some of the daddy ball comments. I have seen some examples of that as well. Unfortunately, I also see a lack of volunteers throughout youth sports. My daughter spent 6 years playing youth softball, basketball, and soccer. I coached all of them because I was told by each organization that they didn't have enough volunteers to coach the various teams. At one point I was also on the board for the local AYSO soccer league and the local softball league. We had over 150 kids in the soccer league while I was there and every single one of them was coached by a mom or a dad. The one exception was one aunt that stepped up to volunteer. Travel ball isn't much different. The closest organization I can name that doesn't have a coach with a family member on the team is over 50 miles away from our home. If it wasn't for moms and dads willing to coach, there would be a lot of young people that wouldn't have an opportunity to play youth sports.

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  • mudvnine
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    Originally posted by skipper5 View Post

    When I made this post, I had recently spoken to parents of a couple of JV players at two different high schools in my area.
    Apparently quite a few games got rained out.
    JV rain-outs often don't get made up. I'm fine with that.
    What I'm not fine with is that when JV games get rained out, the coaches (who are paid a small stipend) send the players home instead of finding a spot (a classroom; a locker room; a dugout) where they could spend, say, an hour a half with a "classroom session". It could be as simple as watching video together on a laptop.
    Or: If it's not raining hard, they could find a patch of grass where they could hold a mini-practice using dimple balls (reg. balls would get soggy).
    Getting wet is not a problem. Falling down on wet grass is not a problem. Soccer players do it all the time.
    My point is: Do something.
    Agree 100%....with the classroom part, as I was only able to secure the gym just one time, and that was as if I was asking to practice in the Taj Mahal. But we were able to work out classroom usage from another coach I knew from way back (I was a walk-on coach, so no classroom myself), and broke up into two groups with my AC and myself doing hitting review work on laptops (we filmed some of your cage sessions), and I also went out, and bought a small mini projector....

    ....so we could do full team video, image viewing, or whatever else we wanted to talk about...various defensive plays, some offensive strategies, motivational clips, or whatever else we came up with at the time....that's sometimes easier in the classroom setting rather than out on the field.

    ​​Unfortunately, the one time we did try to "practice" on the blacktop, the AD put the kibosh on that with some "liability" nonsense...saying that we were only covered on "baseball approved facilities" whatever the heck that's supposed to be. =(

    But yes, just releasing kids due to unplayable fields is shirking one's coaching responsibilities, and not helping the team or the individual players one bit, and should be loathed by Skip or anyone else who expects more from their coaches than just babysitters when it's convenient for them.

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  • omg
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    Originally posted by skipper5 View Post

    When I made this post, I had recently spoken to parents of a couple of JV players at two different high schools in my area.
    Apparently quite a few games got rained out.
    JV rain-outs often don't get made up. I'm fine with that.
    What I'm not fine with is that when JV games get rained out, the coaches (who are paid a small stipend) send the players home instead of finding a spot (a classroom; a locker room; a dugout) where they could spend, say, an hour a half with a "classroom session". It could be as simple as watching video together on a laptop.
    Or: If it's not raining hard, they could find a patch of grass where they could hold a mini-practice using dimple balls (reg. balls would get soggy).
    Getting wet is not a problem. Falling down on wet grass is not a problem. Soccer players do it all the time.
    My point is: Do something.
    I'm not a coach-basher. Far from it. But I've got to call a spade a spade.
    Btw, I've practiced many times over the years in the rain, sometimes in a parking lot.
    I've got no patience for wimps, and no patience for coaches who aren't dedicated to using every possible opportunity to improve their players.


    Nowadays with the abundant quality short you tube videos and the large smart board screens a class room session would have a lot of value. I'm sure the good coaches do this (or tweet short videos out).

    Got to have the "rain" balls. I use Kenko- 50 of them.

    Go over signals, conditioning- I have a list of options if it rains. Time to work on some core fundamentals that you don't do when you have a nice beautiful field.

    On the flip side there are definitely times when a day off is more productive.

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  • sparkny2
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    I've seen JV coaches cut kids loose so they can have more time to prep for a project or study for a test. Some of them are teachers so they know the academic schedule.

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  • Cannonball
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    Originally posted by skipper5 View Post

    When I made this post, I had recently spoken to parents of a couple of JV players at two different high schools in my area.
    Apparently quite a few games got rained out.
    JV rain-outs often don't get made up. I'm fine with that.
    What I'm not fine with is that when JV games get rained out, the coaches (who are paid a small stipend) send the players home instead of finding a spot (a classroom; a locker room; a dugout) where they could spend, say, an hour a half with a "classroom session". It could be as simple as watching video together on a laptop.
    Or: If it's not raining hard, they could find a patch of grass where they could hold a mini-practice using dimple balls (reg. balls would get soggy).
    Getting wet is not a problem. Falling down on wet grass is not a problem. Soccer players do it all the time.
    My point is: Do something.
    I'm not a coach-basher. Far from it. But I've got to call a spade a spade.
    Btw, I've practiced many times over the years in the rain, sometimes in a parking lot.
    I've got no patience for wimps, and no patience for coaches who aren't dedicated to using every possible opportunity to improve their players.


    All great points. We have a very tight gym schedule now. It is not like it was even 5 years ago where the area where the indoor cage is goes automatically to softball and baseball. So, this year, we did a lot of what you suggested with video. We did a lot with the board and discussing bunt coverage. There really isn't a reason a coach can not get a classroom. We sent our JV home two times this year. On both occasions, there were other things in play for example, I had a parent meeting and so we only had one coach available.

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  • bluedawg
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    Originally posted by The Flush View Post
    Our JV team practiced in the gym if a game was rained out. Rarely had a day off other than Sundays.
    same here. even the freshman team still holds practices

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  • The Flush
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    Our JV team practiced in the gym if a game was rained out. Rarely had a day off other than Sundays.

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  • skipper5
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    Originally posted by skipper5 View Post
    In general, assuming they're equally competent, a volunteer coach is more likely to dedicate 100% than a paid coach because at some point the paid coach realizes that his salary represents a very low hourly wage, which saps his willingness to provide a fanatical level of devotion to his job.
    When I made this post, I had recently spoken to parents of a couple of JV players at two different high schools in my area.
    Apparently quite a few games got rained out.
    JV rain-outs often don't get made up. I'm fine with that.
    What I'm not fine with is that when JV games get rained out, the coaches (who are paid a small stipend) send the players home instead of finding a spot (a classroom; a locker room; a dugout) where they could spend, say, an hour a half with a "classroom session". It could be as simple as watching video together on a laptop.
    Or: If it's not raining hard, they could find a patch of grass where they could hold a mini-practice using dimple balls (reg. balls would get soggy).
    Getting wet is not a problem. Falling down on wet grass is not a problem. Soccer players do it all the time.
    My point is: Do something.
    I'm not a coach-basher. Far from it. But I've got to call a spade a spade.
    Btw, I've practiced many times over the years in the rain, sometimes in a parking lot.
    I've got no patience for wimps, and no patience for coaches who aren't dedicated to using every possible opportunity to improve their players.



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  • songtitle
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    Some of each are good.

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  • Tman
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    Originally posted by pthawaii View Post
    The coach that has no relation to any kid on the team is more likely to dedicate 100% to the entire teams performance and development than the coach who is related to a player on the team. Like most generalizations, this isnt always true, but we've all seen it more times than not.
    I've seen both ways. I've seen teams taken over by coaches with no kids on the team that were great but I've also seen a ton of coaches terrified of showing their kid favoritism. I usually was. I remember one year me and the guy I talked into being my assistant would bench our sons from time to time just to get other kids more playing time and we'd kind of look at each other and laugh like "this sucks". I guess we wanted to have it in our back pocket though if somebody complained about playing time.

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  • Viking0
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    volunteer coach is usually a dad, and daddy balls. Daddy balling either means he holds his kid to a higher standard (which can be uncomfortable for his kid), he puts more effort developing them, or he plays them more at specialized positions (like Domingo Ayala coach's kid). There are a few dads who do not daddy ball, but that is the exception rather than the rule from what I have seen. I prefer a good coach who is not affiliated, but then again they are hard to find, and there are multiple good dads who can coach.

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  • The Uncoach
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    Originally posted by bluedawg View Post

    a better coach is usually more efficient and requires less effort/time -volunteer or paid. Volunteer coach probably has a regular job and can't devote 100% time unless of course they're independently wealthy (or their spouse is). Paid coaches are often trying to prove themselves to move up the coaching ladder to better schools/programs. That's the incentive. Doubt many of them do it for the money. That would be stupid (unless they're paid more than I think).
    The paid coach had better have a "regular job" and can't devote 100% of his time either. The stipend doesn't really cover jack.

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  • pthawaii
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    The coach that has no relation to any kid on the team is more likely to dedicate 100% to the entire teams performance and development than the coach who is related to a player on the team. Like most generalizations, this isnt always true, but we've all seen it more times than not.

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  • Tman
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    Well are we talking like preteen travel here or HS ball?

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