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  • What would you do? Take the forfeit or play the game?

    Here is a situation that may or may not be hypothetical. I may add fictional details to fill out the story as needed.

    Pretend you are the coach of a 14u baseball team. You're playing in a league that is team-registration, no draft, so I suppose technically this is "select" baseball, but the level of play is not high.

    Your team has lost only one game, and you have a rival team, the "Brawlers" that has lost only one game. There's no love lost between your team and the rival; the players and parents are mouthy and arrogant, and as far as you can tell it's because Coach Bob is setting the tone. You have beat the Brawlers to win the pre-season tournament and you've beat them in your only head-to-head matchup, but both were close games.

    You were scheduled to play the team at the start of June, but the game was rained out. You've been texting with Bob (who was home team) to get the game rescheduled, but he keeps blowing you off and ignoring your texts. You can only assume that his team's ringers have schedule conflicts with their other teams and he's not able to work anything out.

    Now it's mid-July and the season is almost over. You still haven't played that game -- and it will apparently decide the league champions. By league rule, the home team must reschedule the game within two weeks or it is a forfeit. So you have talked to the league management, shown them your texts with Bob, and they have awarded you the game -- and likely the championship, as you have only one more league game to play, and you are confident you'll win it. Bob finds out the league's decision and he's appealing. He offers you two dates for games. The first one won't work for you. The second one is the last day of the season. It's a morning game the day after you play a night game. Furthermore, your ace pitcher -- your only good pitcher to be honest -- and best all-around player can't be there on this date. Both times that you beat the Brawlers, your "ace" twirled a gem, but your #2 has been pitching like "Number Two" lately, so the odds aren't good if you have to go with him.

    What do you do? Play the game and hope for the best? Or tell Bob, "Sorry pal, that's what you get for blowing me off!" and take the win by forfeit?

  • #2
    That 14u Championship mean that much to you...?

    Play the morning game...
    I don't like my balls to smell like pickles.

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    • #3
      I go out of my way to stick it to him -in a game! So I'd offer different dates with an ultimatum -my way or forfeit.

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      • #4
        Bob is a jerk. I'll take "Sorry, pal. That's what you get for blowing me off!" for $500, Alex. He wasn't interested in following the league rules. Or you could follow bluedawg's advice and offer dates when your #1 pitcher is available.
        Last edited by The Uncoach; 07-13-2018, 09:05 AM.

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        • #5
          You hold all the cards. If the guy had been cordial and responsive, then you work with him. If he's been repeatedly ignoring you and now that he sees it will hurt him if he doesn't get the game in, I'd set a date that suits me and my team the best and say take it or leave it big boy. That's the way things work. Work with me, I'll work with you 100%, bend over backwards. Ignore me until you need me, you'll take what I'm willing to give. So yeah, what bluedawg said ^^^
          Ty Cobb-"Every great batter works on the theory that the pitcher is more afraid of him than he is of the pitcher."

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          • #6
            Has Francis7 logged into bbrages account by accident?

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            • #7
              Thanks for the responses... I'm not the coach FWIW.

              Here's the relevant section from the league rulebook:

              Section 6.32 The home team must contact the visitor by email within 7 days of the rainout and offer two dates. The visiting team must respond within nine (9) days of the rainout to the two (2) dates offered. Even with conflicts the game must be rescheduled within fourteen (14) days of the rainout. That does not mean played within fourteen (14) days just rescheduled for a later date. If neither team initiates a reschedule within the fourteen (14) day time frame, the game will go down as FORFEIT for both teams.

              Section 6.33 If one (1) team is found to be at fault for the game not being rescheduled in the two (2) week period, that team will receive the forfeit. This will be determined by email dates and times.


              So it is an official rule of the league... The league that I have coached in has a different way of handling rainouts that ensures that all games WILL get rescheduled.

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              • #8
                I'm sure if you asked the kids on the team, they'd rather play the game. They didn't sign up to win by forfeit.
                They call me Mr. Baseball. Not because of my love for the game; because of all the stitches in my head.

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                • #9
                  Develope more pitching

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by flyingmachine3 View Post
                    Has Francis7 logged into bbrages account by accident?
                    Based on a True Story...

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by bbrages View Post
                      Here is a situation that may or may not be hypothetical. I may add fictional details to fill out the story as needed.

                      Pretend you are the coach of a 14u baseball team. You're playing in a league that is team-registration, no draft, so I suppose technically this is "select" baseball, but the level of play is not high.

                      Your team has lost only one game, and you have a rival team, the "Brawlers" that has lost only one game. There's no love lost between your team and the rival; the players and parents are mouthy and arrogant, and as far as you can tell it's because Coach Bob is setting the tone. You have beat the Brawlers to win the pre-season tournament and you've beat them in your only head-to-head matchup, but both were close games.

                      You were scheduled to play the team at the start of June, but the game was rained out. You've been texting with Bob (who was home team) to get the game rescheduled, but he keeps blowing you off and ignoring your texts. You can only assume that his team's ringers have schedule conflicts with their other teams and he's not able to work anything out.

                      Now it's mid-July and the season is almost over. You still haven't played that game -- and it will apparently decide the league champions. By league rule, the home team must reschedule the game within two weeks or it is a forfeit. So you have talked to the league management, shown them your texts with Bob, and they have awarded you the game -- and likely the championship, as you have only one more league game to play, and you are confident you'll win it. Bob finds out the league's decision and he's appealing. He offers you two dates for games. The first one won't work for you. The second one is the last day of the season. It's a morning game the day after you play a night game. Furthermore, your ace pitcher -- your only good pitcher to be honest -- and best all-around player can't be there on this date. Both times that you beat the Brawlers, your "ace" twirled a gem, but your #2 has been pitching like "Number Two" lately, so the odds aren't good if you have to go with him.

                      What do you do? Play the game and hope for the best? Or tell Bob, "Sorry pal, that's what you get for blowing me off!" and take the win by forfeit?
                      It sounds like you want to win the championship more than the kids. Kids want to play. How you feel about the coach and the parents is affecting your decision making. I don’t know any kid who thinks about 14u games once he’s playing high school ball.

                      You do hold the advantage of holding the forfeit award. I would provide three potential game dates and tell the coach to pick one. If he says he can’t get a field on those dates tell him you will be the home team.

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                      • #12
                        OP says he communicated via text. The rules make no mention of text being acceptable and specify email...just saying...lawyers have gotten involved for less!!
                        Put your junk in your pocket!

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                        • #13
                          I should have changed that to email, call it part of the fictionalization... literary license. But good point, I considered it myself.

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                          • #14
                            I'd take the forfeit. It will be a good life lesson to players on both sides. Proper and timely communications is very important and there can be consequences if neglected.

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                            • #15
                              I’d find a way to play the game.

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