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  • The Bent Front Arm/Elbow at Contact

    The barrel should stay through (on plane) around contact as opposed to "rolling over", "hooking", etc. Even a very small amount of early rollover leads to inconsistent contact. Connected to this is the idea of "letting the ball get deep"- early contact can lead to "topping", etc. So a lot of hitters do various things with their grip or they "let go early' with the top hand. Other thoughts are to keep the top hand "palm to the sky" and so forth. These thoughts are all related to what the hands and wrists do."Coming around the ball" could also be caused by over active hips or something else (fear, front shoulder). But maybe the real culprit (assuming it's not the legs/front shoulder) is the front elbow. Should it be bent/relaxed at contact?
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    Here's my list for why rollover occurs prior to contact (no worries when it occurs after contact).

    It can happen when one (or more, in combination) of the following occur prior to contact--
    In no particular order:

    1. inadequate (or non-existent) opening of the hips--typical of young batters.

    2. an overly choked grip

    3. a lead arm that collapses against the batters side

    4. out in front of the pitch

    5. swinging around the ball

    6. a severe down-swing
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    • #3
      My non expert opinion is it really depends on were it is pitched. I know that is the easy answer when it comes to talk about should the elbows be bent or not bent at contact. If the ball is outside (and depending on how far outside and how you setup) there won't be much bend (if any at all). If it's inside that it should be bent. I don't see how you can effectively hit a inside pitch without bend and still be mechanically sound in your swing. Down the middle will likely be a combination of of both. When you have a hitter that has no bend on every pitch location then that is where you have major issues IMO. Working with the 8/9 age group a lot a majority of the time a roll over is due to two things:

      1. Trying to pull a outside pitch (This can be swinging around a pitch)
      2. Out front with your timing

      When I see fear/front shoulder pulling after heel plant with younger kids they result is mostly weak hits off the end of the bat to 2nd and 1B.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by skipper5 View Post
        Here's my list.....
        I can see where those would be issues. I'd like to focus on the front elbow so let's assume other parts of the swing are pretty good. I think also connected to the concept of what I'm talking about is the follow through position.
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        • #5


          How does an ice skater slow down, and speed up their rotation? And what does this have to do with hitting?

          The short answer is that, for optimal bat speed, hitters should have their biceps touching (over very near) their torso at contact with the ball. (Notice this goes against everything you ever hear about hitting, but it's what 99% of MLB hitters actually do)


          Watch from 1:50 - 2:15, Conservation of Angular Momentum (it's basically free energy - IOW energy from a technique, not from muscles)
          Last edited by songtitle; 09-11-2018, 07:47 AM.
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            • #7
              Coaching experience: Managed 5 Little League teams and coached on 4 others. So, what do I know?

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              • #8
                Coaching experience: Managed 5 Little League teams and coached on 4 others. So, what do I know?

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                • #9
                  Coaching experience: Managed 5 Little League teams and coached on 4 others. So, what do I know?

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                  • #10
                    Coaching experience: Managed 5 Little League teams and coached on 4 others. So, what do I know?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by coachrjb View Post
                      My non expert opinion is it really depends on were it is pitched. I know that is the easy answer when it comes to talk about should the elbows be bent or not bent at contact. If the ball is outside (and depending on how far outside and how you setup) there won't be much bend (if any at all). If it's inside that it should be bent. I don't see how you can effectively hit a inside pitch without bend and still be mechanically sound in your swing. Down the middle will likely be a combination of of both. When you have a hitter that has no bend on every pitch location then that is where you have major issues .
                      Great post.
                      What I find with many HSV hitters is that they spend so much time working (ingraining) on being short-to-the-ball with a bent-arm-swing that they have trouble extending (unbending) the arms (even a little a bit) on pitches on the outer third, thereby hitting the ball more towards the tip of the bat, or missing the ball entirely.
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                      In the winter when I'm working with the HS hitters in team hitting workouts. , I'm seldom working on "short to the ball". I prioritize "breaking up the scar tissue" of the habitual bent-arms so that we can gain a bit of un-bent-ness--when it's needed-- on outer pitches.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by songtitle View Post
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                        The short answer is that, for optimal bat speed, hitters should have their biceps touching (or very near) their torso at contact with the ball. (Notice this goes against everything you ever hear about hitting, but it's what 99% of MLB hitters actually do)
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                        I don't spend much time studying what MLB hitters do. I should, but I don't. So, I defer to you on that.

                        I do spend a LOT of time around HS hitters, and it seems that a lot don't have their biceps touching (or very near) their torso at contact.
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                        • #13
                          I looked at all of the videos, thanks. I'd like to separate bat speed (or power) from plane/ adjustability and focus just on the latter. I understand that good hitters use the lead arm differently as pointed out by batspeed.com. So there are different styles. But I'm suggesting that the bent/relaxed lead arm provides for the possibility of a better plane- path can stay on line with ball longer.
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                          • #14
                            I think having that front elbow "working up" is the real key... I think the arm will the straighter or more bent depending on whether you are adjusting to inside or outside pitches...

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                            • #15
                              francis, here are my thoughts on above videos
                              #7, he demos a bad youth swing. His front elbow is WAY too far away from his body. I dont think anyone needs to teach you to move slightly different for high/low pitches. So, this vid is counter-productive.
                              #8, OK I dont have a problem with anything he says there, except that he doesnt really show you how to do it.
                              #9. Terrible. The elbows dont stay equidistant during the swing, and 90%+ hitters dont ACTIVELY push the front elbow up (it rotates as the back elbow dfrops/drives)
                              #10 great vid to see the front bicep stays connected to torso. He never mentions it, because he never saw it that I know of.
                              Last edited by songtitle; 09-11-2018, 11:41 AM.
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