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    Just trying to get my lingo up to par. Is "slop" basically unnecessary movements in a swing that create downstream flaws?

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    Originally posted by SickGame View Post
    Just trying to get my lingo up to par. Is "slop" basically unnecessary movements in a swing that create downstream flaws?
    Slop...sloppy=
    The time between the decision to swing and the actual launch of the swing is a HUGE problem for amateur hitters and many pros. The need to reset or move to a different position, other than the one they were in when they made the go decision, before they can actually launch, is a career ender. Pitchers exploit that.

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    • #3
      Oh my....!

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      • #4
        Usually refers to slow throwing junk ball pitchers, often lefties. Can be applied to anything though.
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        • #5
          "Slop" in a swing...is what a hitter has when he can swing when he's able to (has to complete some predetermine set of mechanics), and not exactly when he wants/needs to do so (able to load and go).

          This is usually the difference seen, and talked about between the "Shift THEN Swing" mechanics (has to complete the stride and weight shift before he's able to actually deliver bat to ball...two moves) vs the "Shift AND Swing" mechanics (load, and the shift happens as part of the swing...one move).
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          • #6
            Yeah basically you want the system already stretched out at toe touch so you can immediately start the swing at decision time. You don't want to load hands too early (I.e before lower body) but too late is not good either.

            basically at some point the backside movement must directly move the barrel.
            Last edited by dominik; 10-07-2018, 03:08 PM.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by mudvnine View Post
              This is usually the difference seen, and talked about between the "Shift THEN Swing" mechanics (has to complete the stride and weight shift before he's able to actually deliver bat to ball...two moves) vs the "Shift AND Swing" mechanics (load, and the shift happens as part of the swing...one move).
              I've heard this for a few years here on BBF. Does anyone here have some visual examples of the "Shift THEN Swing" mechanics? I'm guessing most, if not all, MLB swings are "Shift AND Swing", but it would be helpful to visual learners like me to see side-by-side examples.

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              • #8
                There is a particular hitting guru that we aren't supposed to talk about on this site. He creates a lot of hitting jargon that I just don't understand -- it sounds like mumbo jumbo to me. Deep whoosh, turning the corner, where's the giddyup, etc. I think he came up with this "slop" term as well as the "shift and swing" vs. "shift then swing".

                Apparently, it makes sense to a lot of people, including Aaron Judge (?)... so maybe I'm the one who missing out.

                "Whatever cannot be said clearly is probably not being thought clearly either." YMMV

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by johnlanza View Post
                  I've heard this for a few years here on BBF. Does anyone here have some visual examples of the "Shift THEN Swing" mechanics? I'm guessing most, if not all, MLB swings are "Shift AND Swing", but it would be helpful to visual learners like me to see side-by-side examples.

                  Shift AND swing............................................. .............................Shift THEN swing..................
                  Howard shifts and swings at the same time.. His swing causes the shift. He is a high level hitter

                  The other guy, shifts his front leg out first, then swings.. He isn't a high level hitter...
                  Last edited by rdbass; 10-08-2018, 09:30 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Shift AND swing. ".Shift THEN swing"

                    These are really mislabeled and backwards, as almost everything else in hitting.

                    The difference in the two gifs is that the guy on the right has bat drag. Open up the GIF and watch it by frame, step by step.

                    The guy on the left shifts (strides) THEN waits until toe touch to begin to swing his arms/hands forward, and brings his back elbow down..

                    The guy on the right, as everyone who bat drags, begins to swing with his arms before he lands. So he is actually shifting AND swinging.
                    Last edited by songtitle; 10-08-2018, 09:50 AM.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by songtitle View Post

                      The guy on the left shifts (strides) .
                      Not everybody is equating stride and shift...

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by pattar View Post

                        Not everybody is equating stride and shift...
                        I'm glad you brought this up. The word 'shift' is not good either. MLB hitters coil in, then out. If you shift without coiling, you are not swinging like an MLB hitter.

                        It's possible to coil/uncoil without striding (picking up the front foot and going forward), since that's what golfers do.
                        Last edited by songtitle; 10-08-2018, 12:42 PM.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by songtitle View Post

                          I'm glad you brought this up. The word 'shift' is not good either. MLB hitters coil in, then out. If you shift without coiling, you are not swinging like an MLB hitter.

                          It's possible to coil/uncoil without striding (picking up the front foot), since that's what golfers do.
                          The shift and swing is referring to the idea that the swing "weights" the front foot, which is also a bad description tbh. The shift and swing
                          really refers to the idea that the ground reaction forces (due mostly to the bodies weight before swing launch and then a combination of body weight and force due to swing) on the feet shift from being fairly evenly distributed between both feet before launch (e.g. for a strider
                          when the stride foot hits the ground, 60-40,50-50, etc) to being predominantly on the front foot after swing has completed. In other words,
                          technically, the center of pressure moves from rear foot to somewhere
                          near the center of the body (right before launch) to somewhere close to the front foot after completion of swing (or right at the front foot if the back foot leaves the ground a la Frank Thomas = ))
                          Last edited by pattar; 10-08-2018, 12:45 PM.

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