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    Talking good hs, college or pro:

    1. Runners on 1st and 2nd. No outs. Very routine grounder to pitcher. Where does pitcher throw it?

    2. Bases loaded. No out and one out. Very routine grounder to the pitcher. where does he throw it in both situations?
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  • #2
    Originally posted by omg View Post
    Talking good hs, college or pro:

    1. Runners on 1st and 2nd. No outs. Very routine grounder to pitcher. Where does pitcher throw it?

    2. Bases loaded. No out and one out. Very routine grounder to the pitcher. where does he throw it in both situations?
    Scenario #1: Probably depends on where the third baseman was positioned, but I would like to get the runner out at 3B. - and possible get the 1-5-3 double play. But I might be better off going with the 1-6-3 double play.

    Scenario #2: Pitcher throws home in both situations (none out and one out).

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    • #3
      Originally posted by johnlanza View Post

      Scenario #1: Probably depends on where the third baseman was positioned, but I would like to get the runner out at 3B. - and possible get the 1-5-3 double play. But I might be better off going with the 1-6-3 double play.

      Scenario #2: Pitcher throws home in both situations (none out and one out).
      This ^^^^^^^^^ To be honest, I always preach that we have to get an out. So, an out first and that is why I mention that I might go to 3rd if it is a given. However, most of the time, in this situation, I'd be very comfortable with 1-6-3 DP.

      In the second scenario, I agree and both times we go home. I'd like the 1-2-3 DP. I've had a couple of catcher who were money on this. They had cannons for arms.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by omg View Post

        Talking good hs, college or pro:

        1. Runners on 1st and 2nd. No outs. Very routine grounder to pitcher. Where does pitcher throw it?

        2. Bases loaded. No out and one out. Very routine grounder to the pitcher. where does he throw it in both situations?
        First example, go for the 1-6-3.

        Second example, go for the 1-2-3 with both zero and one outs.



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        • #5
          Scenario 1 depends a bit on where "right to the pitcher" the grounder is. 3b side, up the middle, 1b side? RHP or LHP.? Defensive shift in place? Got to get an out here, but 2 is better, even if leaving the lead runner in place on 3b. RHP: I like the 1-6-3 up the middle or 1b side. 3b side we may flip to F5 for the 1-5-3.. LHP has a slight advantage for 1-5-3.

          Scenario 2: 1-2 for sure and 1-2-3 if possible

          OP: What's your thinking?

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          • #6
            Exact play happened to my son this past weekend. He went with 1-5-3 DP. He got lucky the runner was slow. I like the idea of going where the ball takes you, towards 3rd base side go third, straight back or towards 1st and go to 2nd base.
            Never played baseball, just a dad of someone that loves to play. So take any advice I post with a grain of salt.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by bluedawg View Post
              Scenario 1 depends a bit on where "right to the pitcher" the grounder is. 3b side, up the middle, 1b side? RHP or LHP.? Defensive shift in place? Got to get an out here, but 2 is better, even if leaving the lead runner in place on 3b. RHP: I like the 1-6-3 up the middle or 1b side. 3b side we may flip to F5 for the 1-5-3.. LHP has a slight advantage for 1-5-3.

              Scenario 2: 1-2 for sure and 1-2-3 if possible

              OP: What's your thinking?
              I was talking about this was some guys today. To me it's obvious/standard: routine ball at pitcher the ball goes to second base (mif) regardless of out and when bases loaded ball goes home regardless of out (not counting two outs). But just as with this thread people have different notions.
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              • #8
                Well to bring up the obvious first...much would/could depend on the score, inning, and what part of that inning we're in at times...but just in generalities of what's presented:

                1. As John stated depending on F3 positioning 1-5-3 attempted DP, as I always try to keep things simple, and talk about getting the "lead runner". But as also stated, I'd have no problem with a 1-6-3 DP, and have an R3 w/ two outs, and back to work....or if B/R was safe at first, then we still have the DP setup intact w/ one out. So either way as long as at least one out is recorded I'm fine with the decision.

                2. This is more related to the "score, inning, and what part of that inning we're in", but again on generalities in either of those situations I'm looking for a 1-2-3 DP (or DP attempt at least).
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by bluedawg View Post
                  Scenario 1 depends a bit on where "right to the pitcher" the grounder is. 3b side, up the middle, 1b side? RHP or LHP.? Defensive shift in place? Got to get an out here, but 2 is better, even if leaving the lead runner in place on 3b. RHP: I like the 1-6-3 up the middle or 1b side. 3b side we may flip to F5 for the 1-5-3.. LHP has a slight advantage for 1-5-3.

                  Scenario 2: 1-2 for sure and 1-2-3 if possible

                  OP: What's your thinking?
                  I agree with this. The handedness of the pitcher is a factor in the conversation as well as his positioning when fielding the ball.
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                  • #10
                    In the first scenario I think it should always be a 1-6-3 attempt. The ball being hit up the middle has the short stop moving that way and it is an easy play. I find that at times the third baseman gets caught drifting away from 3rd on balls hit up the middle or to the right side.

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                    • #11
                      I'm with Grayhead.....
                      1-6-3 less risk probably 2 outs runner on 3B
                      1-5-3 risky for sure 1 out maybe 2
                      I teach go for the 1-6-3 DP is much easier with SS drifting that way already (easier DP) then you got 2 outs and a runner on 3B
                      if they try go 1-5-3 you might get 2 outs (much tougher DP),and if the 2B runner is a smart runner, he be on 3B as soon as 5 lets that ball go anyways.


                      second scenario is 1-2-3 all day every day!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by omg View Post
                        Talking good hs, college or pro:

                        1. Runners on 1st and 2nd. No outs. Very routine grounder to pitcher. Where does pitcher throw it?

                        2. Bases loaded. No out and one out. Very routine grounder to the pitcher. where does he throw it in both situations?
                        1. 1-6-3 unless it's just a little tapper and then the out is likely at 1B.
                        2. Pitcher throws home. Ery tyne.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by omg View Post
                          Talking good hs, college or pro:

                          1. Runners on 1st and 2nd. No outs. Very routine grounder to pitcher. Where does pitcher throw it?

                          2. Bases loaded. No out and one out. Very routine grounder to the pitcher. where does he throw it in both situations?
                          Is the pitcher RH or LH? If RH, is he falling off the mound where it's going to require him to spin around to through to 3rd?
                          Coaching experience: Managed 5 Little League teams and coached on 4 others. So, what do I know?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Francis7 View Post

                            Is the pitcher RH or LH? If RH, is he falling off the mound where it's going to require him to spin around to through to 3rd?
                            Doesn't matter. On routine the plan is to go to second.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by omg View Post

                              Doesn't matter. On routine the plan is to go to second.
                              omg,
                              Here's a follow-up.

                              HSV. Same situation you described, r1/r2/<2 outs:. Routine comebacker....suppose your catcher is NOT especially vocal (despite your/my incredible coaching) and/or may not have the IQ to correctly and instantly call for the ball to go to the SS for a 1-6-3.

                              Will you--the coach-- instantly call the play?

                              I would. And I'm loud, lol.

                              Someone will say the catcher is "supposed" to do it.
                              IMO, "supposed" is for losers.
                              Similar to a carpenter saying, "My helper was 'supposed' to apply silicone caulk before he installed the skylight..."

                              Distrust, and verify.

                              Similar question:
                              Second and third, no outs. Potential sac fly to the outfield. You (the coach) are certain that--all things considered-- you should concede a run on the sac fly, the throw should go to third to keep r2 from moving up. 99% of HSV catchers will yell "FOUR" in this situation. Do you drown him out with a "THREE" call?

                              I do.
                              Last edited by skipper5; 12-04-2018, 02:46 PM.
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