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    I recently purchased the SwiftStik to work with my 9-10 LL team. I was looking over the DVD and it seems to be a bad disc or corrupted or something. It keeps skipping and the DVD player can't read it half the time. I get through half of the DVD and it dies on me.

    Bottom line I guess, is that I want to know what drills they have on the DVD.

    I know some of the basics and watched the part about Epstein using golf ball sized wiffles, but what are the other drills that are used? Any interesting ones? Or are they all pretty basic (i.e. soft toss, lob toss, tee work, etc.)?
    I did see part of the one with 5 players circled around the coach, but it died on me before I could get any details.

  • #2
    I just recently watched this video, to see if there were any drills, I had forgot about. What you got to see on the video is about all you get. There are no special drills, just the idea of hitting a small ball with a little stick, thats it. You didn't miss anything.
    The Magicman Principle

    "Always look until you find video that can be used to prove your point, and when all else fails, bash someone"

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Lady_Knights View Post
      I just recently watched this video, to see if there were any drills, I had forgot about. What you got to see on the video is about all you get. There are no special drills, just the idea of hitting a small ball with a little stick, thats it. You didn't miss anything.
      That stinks! I was really hoping to see some good drills that would validate my reasoning for spending $30 bucks on a yellow stick
      Last edited by jbolt_2000; 02-19-2008, 12:27 PM.

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      • #4
        Swift Stick

        Grandson uses the swift stick to do a lot of dry swings and to hit golf ball sized wiffle balls. It is a good tool to develop a grooved swing since you can make hundreds of swings without getting tired.

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        • #5
          One drawback to using the swiftstick is that if you are using it practice making contact that you also do a good bit of hitting with real balls as well.

          My son spent a good deal of time this off season hitting plastic as opposed to real balls, and I think it has hurt his power a little. He seemed to be slapping as opposed to driving the ball. Very quick swing that didn't translate to actual power when I put a real bat in his hands.

          I guess what I am trying to say is that it can be part of, but shouldn't be the focus of your hitting work.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ralanprod View Post
            One drawback to using the swiftstick is that if you are using it practice making contact that you also do a good bit of hitting with real balls as well.

            My son spent a good deal of time this off season hitting plastic as opposed to real balls, and I think it has hurt his power a little. He seemed to be slapping as opposed to driving the ball. Very quick swing that didn't translate to actual power when I put a real bat in his hands.

            I guess what I am trying to say is that it can be part of, but shouldn't be the focus of your hitting work.
            Definitely. From what I gather, it seems to be for use with seeing the ball better. I think one of their slogans is something like "If you can hit this little golf ball sized wiffle ball, then you will be able to his a baseball with a normal bat." Not an exact quote but something along those lines.

            I plan on using it in station work. Have the players use the swiftstik, then move on to tee work or soft toss with real bats and then live hitting. Something like that.

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            • #7
              Swiftstick

              Epstein certified instructors use the swiftstick for the torque drill. It is a lot easier to use the swiftstick than a bat to make the number of swings necessary to develop the muscle memory for a rotational swing. During a one hour session with the instructor my grandson normally made 200-300 swings. On days when the wiffle golf ball pitching machine was used, grandson made about 500 swings. I don't think using the swiftstick has slowed down his bat speed. He is one of the smaller players but can hit the ball as far as anyone on his travel or JV team.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ralanprod View Post
                One drawback to using the swiftstick is that if you are using it practice making contact that you also do a good bit of hitting with real balls as well.

                My son spent a good deal of time this off season hitting plastic as opposed to real balls, and I think it has hurt his power a little. He seemed to be slapping as opposed to driving the ball. Very quick swing that didn't translate to actual power when I put a real bat in his hands.

                I guess what I am trying to say is that it can be part of, but shouldn't be the focus of your hitting work.
                Are we talking about your 9 year old like that?

                I hope your not pushing the poor guy too much...

                Also, how do you know the slapping is because of the stick and not because of mechanics. You did have him make a significant change... from natural swing to epstein...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Go Cardinals View Post
                  Are we talking about your 9 year old like that?

                  I hope your not pushing the poor guy too much...

                  Also, how do you know the slapping is because of the stick and not because of mechanics. You did have him make a significant change... from natural swing to epstein...
                  That sounds like a leap that he is pushing to hard? Maybe his son is driven to improve by himself with his fathers help? You are young and try to improve yourself correct?
                  It could be correct that a light stick does not recruit as many muscle fibers therefore does not translate to the correct muscle memory as swinging a real bat. Possibly?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by siritchy View Post
                    That sounds like a leap that he is pushing to hard? Maybe his son is driven to improve by himself with his fathers help? You are young and try to improve yourself correct?
                    It could be correct that a light stick does not recruit as many muscle fibers therefore does not translate to the correct muscle memory as swinging a real bat. Possibly?
                    I was worried. Yes, it was a leap, but I just don't want any kid to be pushed to hard.

                    Lets hope you are correct. You never know these days.

                    Just read here: http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=73902

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Go Cardinals View Post
                      Are we talking about your 9 year old like that?

                      I hope your not pushing the poor guy too much...

                      Also, how do you know the slapping is because of the stick and not because of mechanics. You did have him make a significant change... from natural swing to epstein...

                      No, not pushing him at all. It's just an observation I made about his hitting over the past couple of months.

                      His swing looks good, he is loading more than he was in the "after" clip, but isn't wrapping the bat as much as he was in the before clip. More of a load of the entire upper half rather than just the arms. It's an adjustment he made himself once he saw that his hits didn't seem to be carrying very far.

                      As for my observation regarding the swiftstick... if you look at the second clip, you see bat speed that he cannot really duplicate with an actual bat - at least not yet at his age/size.

                      He had to actually have a real bat in his hands to realize that he couldn't get away with an "armsy" swing.

                      I guess it's silly to be talking about "muscle building" with a 9 year old, but I think overusing the swiftstick kept him from developing the "strength" needed to swing an actual bat properly(or the proper technique perhaps). This probably isn't as much of an issue with more developed kids.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ralanprod View Post
                        No, not pushing him at all. It's just an observation I made about his hitting over the past couple of months.

                        His swing looks good, he is loading more than he was in the "after" clip, but isn't wrapping the bat as much as he was in the before clip. More of a load of the entire upper half rather than just the arms. It's an adjustment he made himself once he saw that his hits didn't seem to be carrying very far.

                        As for my observation regarding the swiftstick... if you look at the second clip, you see bat speed that he cannot really duplicate with an actual bat - at least not yet at his age/size.

                        He had to actually have a real bat in his hands to realize that he couldn't get away with an "armsy" swing.
                        Where's his armsy swing? The first one is better! His upper body and lower body is all around better! No lower body or upper body running start. The second swing is robotic and is not natural nor good. There is no early bat blur as there was in the first swing.



                        Dead hands too:


                        Originally posted by ralanprod View Post
                        I guess it's silly to be talking about "muscle building" with a 9 year old, but I think overusing the swiftstick kept him from developing the "strength" needed to swing an actual bat properly(or the proper technique perhaps). This probably isn't as much of an issue with more developed kids.
                        I agree with this
                        Last edited by Go Cardinals; 02-20-2008, 10:28 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by ralanprod View Post
                          I guess it's silly to be talking about "muscle building" with a 9 year old, but I think overusing the swiftstick kept him from developing the "strength" needed to swing an actual bat properly(or the proper technique perhaps). This probably isn't as much of an issue with more developed kids.
                          I plan on practicing in hitting stations. For the beginning of the season we will have probably three stations - 1) tee work into a net (working on loading, rotation, etc) 2) swiftstik work (working on hand/eye coordination, proper mechanics) 3) live hitting or soft toss (practice seeing the ball live and putting the other drills into a live scenario.

                          I was just looking for other drills for the swiftstik, rather than just tossing a wiffle to them. But it looks like that is really it, aside from off a tee or soft toss.

                          swiftstik work would be very limited for the kids as I also believe any of the drills can jurt the swing if over used.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Go Cardinals View Post
                            Where's his armsy swing? The first one is better! His upper body and lower body is all around better! No lower body or upper body running start. The second swing is robotic and is not natural nor good. There is no early bat blur as there was in the first swing.
                            I meant the "after" clip when I said "armsy".... That's what his swing became after using the Swiftstick rather than a real bat. He looks more like the first clip now, but much better balanced.

                            In the way jbolt is planning on using it, the Swiftstik should be fine. It's when it is overused that it becomes an issue.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by ralanprod View Post
                              I meant the "after" clip when I said "armsy".... That's what his swing became after using the Swiftstick rather than a real bat. He looks more like the first clip now, but much better balanced.

                              In the way jbolt is planning on using it, the Swiftstik should be fine. It's when it is overused that it becomes an issue.
                              Its not the stick that is making him armsy, its the mechanics.

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