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    I have read numerous threads across the net relating to the PROS and CONS of WEIGHTED BALL THROWING.

    There's quite a bit of disagreement between coaches, some claiming they'll cause injury and decreased performance, while other claim increases of 5 mph and more.

    I am an Exercise Professional who has played at National Level in Australia and I'd like to share the science from the training world, so that you can each make up your own mind as a lot of the scientific articles used to back or discredit claims are often misquoted or not fully grasped.

    First here's my personal take on WB training, explaination will follow.
    4oz - Used for overspeed training
    50z - regulation ball
    6oz- Used for overload training
    7-8oz - to be used in general conditioning work and preseason
    9oz+ - to be avoided completely.

    4oz - Overspeed training
    Overspeed training is used extensively in the athletics world and it is one of the techniques employed by Ben Johnson during his 1985-88 dominance, setting a time (although enhanced) that took around 15 yrs to be matched.
    By running on a track with a slight decline or by using resistance bands, the resistance on the athlete was decreased seeing greater speeds produced.
    This is essential in increasing true speed.
    Ask any good strength coach "Train slow, be slow"

    The 'overspeed' used in throwing a 4oz ball allows the body's passive systems (ligaments/ joint capsules) to be exposed to greater angular velocities without the excessive strain (decreased load). This extra speed will overtrain the Type IIb muscle fibres (fast twitch) of the body, which is needed to continue increasing/ developing speed.

    Now errors can be made by going too light in weight.
    Think about running down a steep hill. There's a point where you can't run freely and you need to employ a braking mechanism to maintain balance. This is counterproductive as it will make the athlete slower, but upsetting running mechanics. Same holds true for overspeed training, no lighter that 4oz or a braking mechanism will be employed by the body which will dcrease velocity if used in training.

    6oz ball - Overload training
    Now for the muscular tissue/ tendons and ligaments to develop the necessary tissue tolerance, some form of overload needs to be employed. By increasing the weight, the athlete can now place load on the muscles of the shoulder girdle, without the accompanying increase in angular velocity stresses. When using the 6oz ball, no change in delivery or mechanics should occur. Any change in motor pattern is bad news for velocity, if a weighted ball necessitates any change in mechanics, it's too heavy for use.

    Using the 4 and 6oz balls in bullpens, general throwing programs will help create both the strength and speed/power to increase velocity.

    7-8oz ball - these can be employed as softballs, footballs etc are currently used in conditioning programs. Again no change in mechanics. Generally used during off/ preseason to condition the musculature of the shoulder without the high speeds of a 5oz ball.

    9oz+
    Most over the studies used to debunk the WB training theory entirely, used a ball of 10oz or more. This is a 100% increase in load and will in pretty much every case, alter mechanics when throwing.

    The work of Schmidt and Janda showed in relation to motor performance learning that training a new skill takes between 200-300 repetitions before that motor pattern starts to develop. The bad news, to correct a faulty motor pattern takes between 3000-5000 repetitions to retrain the nervous system. That's why it's so hard to fix poor mechanics without repetition, and even then the athlete will often have muscular imbalances and range of motion issues at both the shoulder and hip which can make the process take even longer.

    The more a motor pattern is rehearsed the easier it becomes to do, taking less nervous system energy than previously (for an example compare the nervous evergy needed to throw with your glove hand to your throwing hand)

    The more rehearsed the motor sequence, the faster it will fire and the less energy it will use to complete. The body is amazing!


    So here it is, in a nutshell from the strength and conditioning world, you can each make up your mind.

    1. Science shows overspeed training works and is necessary in increasing muscular speed.

    2. Science shows that muscles need to be overloaded for supercompensation to occur (for a muscle/ tendon to grow/ strengthen)

    3. Science shows that poor reptitions of movement will upset the timing and recruitment of muscles in movement sequences, and lead to decreased performance.

    4. Science shows that provided the motor pattern (movement) doesn't change, both the load and the speed can be manipulated without upsetting mechanics.


    Would love to hear opinions on this information and any personal accounts as to how WB have worked or not worked in your training.

    Andy
    Last edited by hhsperformance; 02-24-2008, 12:00 AM.

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    Excellent post, and thank you very much.
    Owner of Driveline Baseball - Seattle, WA

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    • #3
      hhsperformance,

      How much would you recommend for overload if the mechanic produced no injury?
      Primum non nocere

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      • #4
        In terms of weight of ball or throwing volume (overload)?

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        • #5
          hhsperformance,

          6 oz is not enough to create a physiological response, in my opinion. 6 lbs would be enough. 12 lbs would definately do the job, as would 15. Right now I throw a 12 lb lead ball everyday 24 times. Previously, I threw a 10 lb ball 96 times a day, everyday for 60 straight days before I went up in weight to the 12 lb ball.

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          • #6
            I use a 5oz, 6oz, 9oz, 12oz, 15oz, 16oz, 2.5lb, 5lb, 7.5lb, 10lb (don't use that one that much). I build up to the higher ones.

            When I use these, I've never had problems, and it helps me throw harder.

            How could I make a 4oz baseball?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Go Cardinals View Post
              I use a 5oz, 6oz, 9oz, 12oz, 15oz, 16oz, 2.5lb, 5lb, 7.5lb, 10lb (don't use that one that much). I build up to the higher ones.

              When I use these, I've never had problems, and it helps me throw harder.

              How could I make a 4oz baseball?
              You'll have to buy a 4 oz, I can't seem to find one. Let me know if you find a place. I have a 7-12 oz set coming in monday.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Charger567 View Post
                You'll have to buy a 4 oz, I can't seem to find one. Let me know if you find a place. I have a 7-12 oz set coming in monday.
                Will do... Same applies to you, tell me if you find one.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Go Cardinals View Post
                  How could I make a 4oz baseball?
                  You could take a tennis ball, cut a very small hole/slot in it with a utility knife, and then fill it with sand until you get the desired weight (you'll need a scale to weight it).

                  Then glue the hole shut and there you go...instant weighted ball.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by RobV View Post
                    You could take a tennis ball, cut a very small hole/slot in it with a utility knife, and then fill it with sand until you get the desired weight (you'll need a scale to weight it).

                    Then glue the hole shut and there you go...instant weighted ball.
                    Thanks... I'll do that, then tell you how it goes...

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                    • #11
                      I think, in most cases, working with a weighted ball is a very slippery slope, especially in amateur pitchers who are still in developmental stages.

                      Mainly from the standpoint that it's extremely difficult to duplicate mechanics from pitch to pitch with a regulation ball, let alone a lighter or heavier ball. This can place the shoulder (in most cases an under-developed one) in a very compromising position.

                      And, as we know, most injuries are not acute so it's usually too late.

                      I certainly feel weighted balls can have their place, but in a very low number of pitchers, and certainly not high school age and below.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Jon Doyle View Post
                        I think, in most cases, working with a weighted ball is a very slippery slope, especially in amateur pitchers who are still in developmental stages.

                        Mainly from the standpoint that it's extremely difficult to duplicate mechanics from pitch to pitch with a regulation ball, let alone a lighter or heavier ball. This can place the shoulder (in most cases an under-developed one) in a very compromising position.

                        And, as we know, most injuries are not acute so it's usually too late.

                        I certainly feel weighted balls can have their place, but in a very low number of pitchers, and certainly not high school age and below.
                        What if you can't play long toss for one reason or another that day... and you don't throw hard (40%), isn't that better than nothing?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Go Cardinals View Post
                          What if you can't play long toss for one reason or another that day... and you don't throw hard (40%), isn't that better than nothing?
                          IMO, no...

                          What would that accomplish?
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Jon Doyle View Post
                            IMO, no...

                            What would that accomplish?
                            Using your arm...

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                            • #15
                              Im not an Olympic Athlete, but I was a sprinter in HS and I hated overspeed training down hill. I felt I could easily fall if I went full speed. It also messed up my mechanics, because top speed is all about leg turn over, which is created by a high knees motion. I would think a lighter ball would change the mechanics to throwing, especially the eccentric load on the wrist for the flick motion and possible the eccentric load on the torso. Thus effecting your muscle memmory.

                              I think T-balls are a just more then 4 oz, but its soft.
                              Last edited by LAball; 02-24-2008, 06:47 PM.

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