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  • jamesh23
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    Originally posted by Go Cardinals View Post
    James... if you were like me, you would have taken the comments by baseball love very personally. If you were me, you would go out for an extra couple of hours. Don't listen to his advice... it's bad advice! Go use it as motivation.

    And yes, you sound ridiculous! The type of question you asked is absurd! Sorry, I'm being honest. There is not set rule or list of how much velocity you will add with certain things. If there is, its probably made up. It really varies from person to person. The best way to get better is trial and error. Watch video of the best. Emulate! Analyze... Emulate the guys that don't get hurt too...

    Here is some film to watch. Go here, on page 3 xv8 has put up some great video: http://www.baseball-fever.com/newrep...eply&p=1089641

    Listen, I know the burning desire to go out and play through it. Don't. When I need to recover for some reason or another in baseball, I resist the temptation by reading a book on baseball, watching film of the best, etc.

    Listen, I had a really messed up quad last year. I should of taken the week off and let it recover. Instead, I hurt it even more. I was playing one night. I was on pace to get my 6th steal; however, I re-injured it. I was doing well against the catcher all night. I made him look bad; however, this time, he made me look like a tee-baller. I hurt it again! Then, for the next month I had to battle this. My team needed me most in this month. However, I was to greedy and too selfish about my own stats that I didn't listen to my body.

    The moral: Listen to your body. Your body's way of talking to you is through soreness, tiredness, and pain. It will only get worse if you continue. Remember, your in it for a marathon, not a sprint.

    I really really feel bad for you. Again, I understand the desire to get out there and play. Listen, if you have pain, that isn't a good thing!

    Good luck, pm me if you want some good books.
    ok, well idk I cant do anything then cuz my ankle is sprained and I cant run, I thougth this is a sign that I shoudl take a week off from throwing, instead my coach made me throw all practice. and not run... bad idea

    Originally posted by Baseball gLove View Post
    You are not ridiculous, you just want to play. But you need to see what is going on with your elbow first.

    After you are cleared get Jaeger's exercise bands and the cd and perform all the exercises BEFORE you start throwing. These are NOT for the purpose of making you stronger. You start by taking a nice jog to warm-up, then do the bands. They serve to warm-up your arms and shoulders to throw. You should also perform arm circles forward and backward before you start to throw. When you're warmed up. Then start playing nice easy catch. Slowly stretch that distance out. Let your arm be nice fluid and relaxed in your throws make sure you are stepping and throwing, and even crow hopping your throws. Listen to your arm; it should feel good and it should not hurt. Try to air it out. After a couple weeks and IF your arm feels good work on pull downs. You work on this is after you reached your maximum distance. Things you want to work on: Your arm should not come across your body. Reach for your target and then down to your glove side ankle. Do try to pronate or throw with your thumb going down. The best traditional pitchers pronate their fastballs. This clip is of the pull down phase of a long toss routine.
    alright, thanks man, i will do that

    Originally posted by LAball View Post
    X-rays will only show if there are problems with your bones, which you dont have. You have a problem with the tendon which an MRI with dye injection may reveal, but MRI's are expensive. Tendons have poor circulation and are difficult heal. It doesnt hurt when you wear a strap means its decreasing the strain on the tendon. It also can have a placeblo affect, meaning that the pressure on your arm is distracting the pain. Your lack of soreness the next day means its not an acute problem any more and is becoming chronic. If you see a small bump appearing at your epicondyls, it means you have torn part of the tendon. The body is a great machine and is able to give itself analgisics, like adrenalin, so that we can survive through pain. Dont think your lack of intense pain means its ok. I wish you the best, because I can see you love baseball so much.
    ok thanks a lot. the doctor is seriously retarded. I told him it wasnt the bone and he still said well it cost too much so im just gonna schedule an MRI for your hip and ankle, and not your arm. you can get an xray first and we'll see. but he did refer me to a specialist.

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  • LAball
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    X-rays will only show if there are problems with your bones, which you dont have. You have a problem with the tendon which an MRI with dye injection may reveal, but MRI's are expensive. Tendons have poor circulation and are difficult heal. It doesnt hurt when you wear a strap means its decreasing the strain on the tendon. It also can have a placeblo affect, meaning that the pressure on your arm is distracting the pain. Your lack of soreness the next day means its not an acute problem any more and is becoming chronic. If you see a small bump appearing at your epicondyls, it means you have torn part of the tendon. The body is a great machine and is able to give itself analgisics, like adrenalin, so that we can survive through pain. Dont think your lack of intense pain means its ok. I wish you the best, because I can see you love baseball so much.

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  • Baseball gLove
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    Originally posted by jamesh23 View Post
    ok so im ridiculous, I had xrays and should see the results tomorrow. I am going to a sports orthopedic specialist on the 4th. Just tell me what can add velocity in the mechanics and how much, so I can focus with dry mechanics please. thats all im asking.

    You are not ridiculous, you just want to play. But you need to see what is going on with your elbow first.

    After you are cleared get Jaeger's exercise bands and the cd and perform all the exercises BEFORE you start throwing. These are NOT for the purpose of making you stronger. You start by taking a nice jog to warm-up, then do the bands. They serve to warm-up your arms and shoulders to throw. You should also perform arm circles forward and backward before you start to throw. When you're warmed up. Then start playing nice easy catch. Slowly stretch that distance out. Let your arm be nice fluid and relaxed in your throws make sure you are stepping and throwing, and even crow hopping your throws. Listen to your arm; it should feel good and it should not hurt. Try to air it out. After a couple weeks and IF your arm feels good work on pull downs. You work on this is after you reached your maximum distance. Things you want to work on: Your arm should not come across your body. Reach for your target and then down to your glove side ankle. Do try to pronate or throw with your thumb going down. The best traditional pitchers pronate their fastballs. This clip is of the pull down phase of a long toss routine.
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  • Go Cardinals
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    James... if you were like me, you would have taken the comments by baseball love very personally. If you were me, you would go out for an extra couple of hours. Don't listen to his advice... it's bad advice! Go use it as motivation.

    And yes, you sound ridiculous! The type of question you asked is absurd! Sorry, I'm being honest. There is not set rule or list of how much velocity you will add with certain things. If there is, its probably made up. It really varies from person to person. The best way to get better is trial and error. Watch video of the best. Emulate! Analyze... Emulate the guys that don't get hurt too...

    Here is some film to watch. Go here, on page 3 xv8 has put up some great video: http://www.baseball-fever.com/newrep...eply&p=1089641

    Listen, I know the burning desire to go out and play through it. Don't. When I need to recover for some reason or another in baseball, I resist the temptation by reading a book on baseball, watching film of the best, etc.

    Listen, I had a really messed up quad last year. I should of taken the week off and let it recover. Instead, I hurt it even more. I was playing one night. I was on pace to get my 6th steal; however, I re-injured it. I was doing well against the catcher all night. I made him look bad; however, this time, he made me look like a tee-baller. I hurt it again! Then, for the next month I had to battle this. My team needed me most in this month. However, I was to greedy and too selfish about my own stats that I didn't listen to my body.

    The moral: Listen to your body. Your body's way of talking to you is through soreness, tiredness, and pain. It will only get worse if you continue. Remember, your in it for a marathon, not a sprint.

    I really really feel bad for you. Again, I understand the desire to get out there and play. Listen, if you have pain, that isn't a good thing!

    Good luck, pm me if you want some good books.

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  • jamesh23
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    ok so im ridiculous, I had xrays and should see the results tomorrow. I am going to a sports orthopedic specialist on the 4th. Just tell me what can add velocity in the mechanics and how much, so I can focus with dry mechanics please. thats all im asking.

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  • kylebee
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    Go see a specialist. You sound ridiculous.

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  • Baseball gLove
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    Originally posted by jamesh23 View Post
    haha your funny no freakin way... im 15 im still gonna play no matter what anyone tells me, I may shut it down to heal, but im not gonna quit baseball and become a coach, manager, or trainer... dont even talk about that cuz there is 0% chance ill do it now, maybe when im older. I would like to do it. but not within the next 20 years. no thanks. If it takes learning to throw with my left hand then ill do it.
    I'm not being funny. You are suffering from "I'm 15 and bullet proof syndrome." You should not have pain throwing. I have only seen one kid have pain from throwing and it was because he had a rolling arm motion and used all arm to throw. You should not have any pain throwing long toss unless your mechanics are way off or you are trying to throw too hard too soon. You need to find out why you are having pain, before you throw any more. Are you in a big growth spurt?

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  • jamesh23
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    Originally posted by Baseball gLove View Post
    I think you should shut it down and find out why you have the pain before you throw anymore. Playing baseball may not be in your cards. It does not mean you have to give up baseball. Maybe you should learn the game to become a manager, coach or trainer.
    haha your funny no freakin way... im 15 im still gonna play no matter what anyone tells me, I may shut it down to heal, but im not gonna quit baseball and become a coach, manager, or trainer... dont even talk about that cuz there is 0% chance ill do it now, maybe when im older. I would like to do it. but not within the next 20 years. no thanks. If it takes learning to throw with my left hand then ill do it.

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  • Baseball gLove
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    I think you should shut it down and find out why you have the pain before you throw anymore. Playing baseball may not be in your cards. It does not mean you have to give up baseball. Maybe you should learn the game to become a manager, coach or trainer.

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  • jamesh23
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    I dont think it was anything to worry about, it still gets sore very easy, and has a small pain in it all the time, but I can throw hard again with no soreness the next day. it hurts during practice though. unless I wear that tendon strap. I dont need to strap to pitch though, only to throw long distances like longtoss. so its like contantly a slight pain, but no soreness the day after idk its weird.
    Last edited by jamesh23; 02-24-2008, 03:17 PM.

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  • Go Cardinals
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    Originally posted by jamesh23 View Post
    what are some things in mechanics that can add about 5 mph to your fastball quickly?

    like leading with the hip more? how much will this add?

    not showing the ball to 2nd base? how much? if anything?

    staying closed, shoulders still facing 3rd while hips are rotated to home? how much velocity?

    what else can add some velocity and what are some drills to make sure im doing these things or that will help me build them into my delivery where they are natural?

    Now stamina, I can throw hard for a few innings maybe 3 or 4 and I start to get hammered... how can I increase my pitches? I only had one good outing last year in allstars where I pitched 6 innings, 97 pitches, 2 ER, 4 hits allowed. we had a pitch count you cant go over 95 but I did.
    Hows your elbow?

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  • jamesh23
    started a topic creating velocity and stamina

    creating velocity and stamina

    what are some things in mechanics that can add about 5 mph to your fastball quickly?

    like leading with the hip more? how much will this add?

    not showing the ball to 2nd base? how much? if anything?

    staying closed, shoulders still facing 3rd while hips are rotated to home? how much velocity?

    triple extension? what is it and what can it do?

    what else can add some velocity and what are some drills to make sure im doing these things or that will help me build them into my delivery where they are natural?

    Now stamina, I can throw hard for a few innings maybe 3 or 4 and I start to get hammered... how can I increase my pitches? I only had one good outing last year in allstars where I pitched 6 innings, 97 pitches, 2 ER, 4 hits allowed. we had a pitch count you cant go over 95 but I did.
    Last edited by jamesh23; 02-24-2008, 03:10 PM.

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