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  • EdmondsFan#1
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    Originally posted by RIstar View Post
    IMO I think Tim Lincecum is the pitcher that should be looked at. OR even a K-rod beside the falling off the mound. Slow and controlled doesn't work to a point if you are to slow you will not be able to transfer the energy up the chain.

    Try to find a good tempo like Justin Verlander has.
    I disagree. IMO, you should not try to be 'explosive' if its not comfortable for you. I think you should do whatever feels the best, I used to try to do that "explosive mechanics" bs that Dick Mills advocates and I walked as many people as innings pitched. This season I slowed it down to what feels natural and comfortable for me and I can control the ball so much better and I'm a much, much better pitcher.
    Yeah, Tim Lincecum and Francisco Rodriguez do it but I'm sure that they didn't force themselves to throw it that quick, that's just how they throw. I think for most people that try to do this it's going to lead to rushing problems and they might struggle with control. Long strides and hip/shoulder seperation is good, I agree with that. But you don't need to move fast to have either. There are plenty of MLB pitchers that move slow.
    Last edited by EdmondsFan#1; 03-26-2008, 09:50 PM.

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  • Go Cardinals
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    Originally posted by RIstar View Post
    IMO I think Tim Lincecum is the pitcher that should be looked at. OR even a K-rod beside the falling off the mound. Slow and controlled doesn't work to a point if you are to slow you will not be able to transfer the energy up the chain.

    Try to find a good tempo like Justin Verlander has.
    Dan Haren throws very slow...

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  • Dirtberry
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    Chris,

    does maximum effort sound better with no adjectives.

    Highschoolballer,

    It's your UCL, No.1 eliminates forearm bounce.

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  • XV84
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    Originally posted by Chris O'Leary View Post
    I prefer smooth to explosive, and know a guy at the major league level who agrees with me.

    IOW, I don't like guys who are slow, slow, fast which is often the description of explosive.

    I prefer slow, medium, fast.
    Explosive + smooth = great timing = effortless delivery.

    Bad timing = injuries.

    It's pretty simple to understand. Harder to teach, or re-program.

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  • Chris O'Leary
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    Originally posted by Dirtberry View Post
    Explosive is good, I don’t think anybody will disagree with that?
    I prefer smooth to explosive, and know a guy at the major league level who agrees with me.

    IOW, I don't like guys who are slow, slow, fast which is often the description of explosive.

    I prefer slow, medium, fast.

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  • highsckoolballer
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    i disagree with one thing, that your arm should reach maximum height before your GF touches the ground. just go to chrisoleary.com and watch the analysis of the greats, such as Nolan Ryan, Roger Clements, and Greg Maddux. they all pitched with exceptional speed and movement( pronation) and they were not plagued by many injuries. you will notice that they all have excellent hip and shoulder separation, which is where they get their speed, and their hands are not at maximum height until after their foot touches the ground.

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  • Dirtberry
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    Highschoolballer,

    Explosive is good, I don’t think anybody will disagree with that? The concept has been around for a 150 years. There are 100’s of ways to put together a pitchers delivery and just like batting they all work but do create different ball exit effects and mechanical advantages or disadvantages. So then the best one is subjective. In the “Traditional Pitching mechanic” the articulations have proven to be the most injurious of all sports mechanics, you are free to choose this path. If you wish to throw injury free you might want to form your mechanics how ever they come out using Dr.Marshall’s upper half mechanics, if you use his lower half mechanics all the better. Most of Dr.Marshall’s principles can be added to the balance position if you have fear of strange looking mechanics, it still works.
    At this time I can only recommend Dr.Marshalls web site and the new RPM web site.
    All others use a form of traditional mechanics where the ball arrives late to initial forward force application and the mechanic slams it’s two arm halves together (outside of vertical).

    “what are the basics of the marshal technique?”

    1. Pendulum swing your ball arm up to drive line height before you glove foot touches ground.
    2. Do not over rotate your shoulders past parallel to the driveline.
    3. Lock your Humerus in line with your chest at drive line height.
    4. Drive ball inside of vertical (over center mass).
    5. Pronate your forward drive.
    6. Pronate all releases.
    7. Create powerful late rotation and pronation snap.
    Last edited by Dirtberry; 03-22-2008, 09:08 PM.

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  • RIstar
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    Well I've found that I like to drop the arm down and keep it loose grip/loose arm. I drop it similar to tim lincecum which has not caused me any pain at all using these mechancis I have.

    I think when you do it the other way you don't get the arm up late and fast. Chris Lincecum talks about loose grip and most pitchers don't do it anymore they try to muscle up on the ball.

    Do what feels natural would be the best thing for your elbow and shoulder.

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  • highsckoolballer
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    where should my arm go when i break my hands? straight back or down then out? my coach teaches straight back,but that feels very uncomfertable and it hurts my arm, so i drop my hands down

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  • RIstar
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    Well as long as you can stay in control go as fast as you need. I'm sold on the Tim Lincecum and K-rod style of mechanics for I have seen that you can move pretty quick using a style like that.

    Coaches are ruining are pitchers, we are training elephants instead of fast jaguars.

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  • highsckoolballer
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    Originally posted by RIstar View Post
    if you are to slow you will not be able to transfer the energy up the chain.

    yea i see what you mean. really the only reason i am somewhat slow is because thats what ive been taught all of my life and my coach always flips when i try to go fast; he is one of those guys that believes only his way of doing things is correct.

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  • RIstar
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    IMO I think Tim Lincecum is the pitcher that should be looked at. OR even a K-rod beside the falling off the mound. Slow and controlled doesn't work to a point if you are to slow you will not be able to transfer the energy up the chain.

    Try to find a good tempo like Justin Verlander has.

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  • highsckoolballer
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    well i like the idea of mills that you have to be explosive, so i have a longer stride with seperation between my hips and shoulders. i dont believe, however, that you have to be as fast as posible. i like to be slow and controled up to the point when i drive my leg forward. what are the basics of the marshal technique?

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  • Jake Patterson
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    Originally posted by Dirtberry View Post
    Highschoolballer,

    Tell us about your hybrid style from start to finish?
    Reasonable question..

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  • Dirtberry
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    Highschoolballer,

    Tell us about your hybrid style from start to finish?

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