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Here's a 2 minute video that is one more try to show how the hands turn to palm-up/palm-down without forearm swivel.
http://wms17.streamhoster.com/firstpick/notht3.wmv
http://wms17.streamhoster.com/firstpick/notht3.wmv
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You are 100% correct in what you describe. That is how you can get to palm up palm down... here's the thing though... imo, that is not how the pro's do it. What you said, doesn't prove how the pro's do it, you just prove that it's possible.
I am helping coach a LL AAA team... little 10 year olds. The kids love me. I try to be a nice a fun coach. Anyway, I was working with them on hitting. Man, the stuff we talk about here (debate, piss fight over) was never ever mentioned. The kids just needed to be told to hold the bat with your hands together...lol. -
Jim - did you notice what happened with your front shoulder during your clip? Can you try your experiment again and while doing it get in a position that is close to what the pro's do? Will your experiment work now?"Tip it and rip it" - In Memory of Dmac
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Connor - What's Little League AAA? - I been associated with LL for 20 years and have not heard of this.Originally posted by Go Cardinals View Post"He who dares to teach, must never cease to learn."
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Minors AAA... it goes tee-ball, Minors A, minors AA, Minors AAA, Majors, then Junoirs. A is coach pitch, AA is machine pitch, AAA is kid pitch, etc...Originally posted by Jake Patterson View PostComment
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Our LL AAA is one level under Majors. Mostly 10 year olds with a few 11's and a few 9's. It's been this way in Nor Cal for at least 15 years."Tip it and rip it" - In Memory of Dmac
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Agreed...Originally posted by Stealth View Post
As I said above... you don't look like the pro's at all:
You compared him to other pro's before Jbooth...Comment
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Bare with me here.
If we could imagine the swing in numerical terms (for descriptive purposes only) with "0" being "GO" or launch and "5" being contact....
-3 ..... -2 ..... -1 ...... 0 ......+1..... +2.... +3.... +4.... +5
Pre-Go ...................GO............................. .......Contact
If the swivel that we are talking about is in the -3-0 range does it matter??Last edited by Jake Patterson; 03-23-2008, 11:19 AM."He who dares to teach, must never cease to learn."
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Originally posted by Go Cardinals View Post
Ok Got it. We have the same we just don't have enough kids for all three levels - thanks"He who dares to teach, must never cease to learn."
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Yep... it's getting younger though... a lot of 9 yo's going to majors... too earlyOriginally posted by Stealth View PostComment
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Yes, it will. The forearm bones move EXACTLY the same. How is anything else relevant?Originally posted by Stealth View Post
If you look at EVERY MLB swing you will NOT see the radius bone move like Richard shows. I proved that. How is the shoulder relevant to proving that point? Are you grabbing at straws or are you just st***?Last edited by Jake Patterson; 03-23-2008, 03:06 PM.Comment
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You can't be serious. You obviously have no analytical skills whatsoever. You don't have to exactly mimic somebody's move to prove a point. Focus on the two forearm bones and the upper arm. That is ALL that is relevant to the point.Originally posted by Go Cardinals View PostAgreed...
As I said above... you don't look like the pro's at all:
You compared him to other pro's before Jbooth...Last edited by Jake Patterson; 03-23-2008, 03:06 PM.Comment
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Originally posted by jbooth View Post
Jim - I asked a simple and honest question. Why do a video where your shoulder is opened up so far you could never hit the ball, period! Unless of course I put it on a tee for you. Do the video again and make sure at contact you are in the correct position, otherwise your video is worthless.
Next time just answer the question.Last edited by Jake Patterson; 03-23-2008, 03:07 PM."Tip it and rip it" - In Memory of Dmac
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With all due respect to everyone who has participated in this discussion, I just don't think it is important. It appears what we are talking about is "load preference" not a core aspect of hitting. If someone wants to tip the bat with their hands and it helps their timing, so what? On the other hand, it also appears that tipping, etc., is not a magic move...claims that it increases bat speed and adjustability just don't make any sense and can't be proven and to say that tipping is part of the "universal mlb swing" is ludicrous. If it helps someone to tip, ala Sheffield, go for it...but it won't work for everyone. Can we move on?Comment
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It doesn't have much to do with a loading preference... it has to do with handle torque before go...Originally posted by jima View Post
For example, it would be crazy to say that this guy torques the barrel. He clearly doesn't torque it... He clearly pulls it... however, he gets a lot of tip and rip.
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Jake... here is the theory:
Lets say you need to get the bathead to 100mph by contact... ok? Also, if you are talking in terms of go/no go... the best hitters have 3 frames after go. Anyway, early handle torque/ early batspeed matters, because you want to get it going.
In terms of adjustability, which makes more sense... Ok, so you have lets say 4 frames to hit the ball. Would you rather your hands be at the mercy of the body and have to develop all the power from no running start? Or would you rather all ready have batspeed before you need it? Which makes more sense for adjustability...
That is why I believe in handle torque... it makes sense.Last edited by Go Cardinals; 03-23-2008, 03:41 PM.Comment
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