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    I have been looking on the internet for instructional dvds the past few weeks. I came across this website and I have read alot of posts and it really seems that many of you posess incredible knowledge of the game. I want to help teach my son who will be 9 soon.
    He has belonged to Little League for the past 4 years and has played T-ball for 2 years and Coach Pitch for 2 years. He really enjoys baseball. As a father, I have watched his practices and his games. I assist him by just re-telling what the coach instructs him to do. The season has ended and he still wants to practice baseball. We practice almost daily after school and on the weekend. But all I can do is re-tell and I cannot give him more advice.
    One of the disadvantages for my son is that other fathers seem to know the game, while I have never played the game. They offer advice to their children and even the coaches child does things that are different than what my son is being taught in practice. (One time, the ball was hit foul in a game and I threw it back to the coach and he told me that I better learn how to throw. I just laughed because he is right!) I spent my childhood days learning martial arts and after 30+years, am well versed in many different arts.
    My son's interest is in baseball and I would like to further his knowledge as best I can.
    I have watched clips on youtube, I have bought a book(Don Mattingly) and I have purchased a dvd (Ripken Way defense)
    The youtube clips were helpful but didnt go to in depth. The book was good for my knowledge but I had questions that couldnt be answered and I couldnt pass on the knowledge to my son. Ripken was great for a double play(which doesnt happen in his games) and we learned how to step and catch on second base. But nothing notable for the other positions.
    I came across a "rotational hitting 101" from Chris Oleary and that was very interesting. We could scroll on a picture of Albert Pujols and actually see a baseball swing in detail. He even provided commentary. If you use the scroll mouse, the swing is in slow motion. We emulated the "rotational swing" and not extending the arms and my son has been hitting with alot more power. During his season, he always hits line drives and the majority wouldnt go past the bases. In the air, it would drop before second base.(this was one month ago). After we viewed "rotational hitting 101", his line drives rocket past the bases with authority and in the air, deep in the outfield. The bases are 60 feet and we measured his hits in outfield at 130 feet, where it landed. Thats a 100+percent increase from what he was doing when he played! He was hitting just as far as or even farther than the "big" hitters on the team and that includes the coach's son.
    In a few days, he improved dramatically, just from "emulating" a rotational swing. I dont even know if we were doing it right, we just tried to emulate. It would be nice to know how to do it correctly so he can build on a solid foundation that would carry him to the next level, if he chooses to continue.
    I think he is ready for more than, "bat to the ball, swing hard, keep your eyes on the ball" instructions that he was given. I am not blaming the coach at all! He gives those instructions to all the children except his son. I figured that his son was more advanced so he needed more detail.
    Even his throwing technique is different. He was taught, point at your target with your glove hand, ball above your head and throw and follow through. On the internet, I saw demonstrations that the glove hand is bent like an L, shoulder and elbow pointing at your target. We emulated this technique and he is throwing faster, farther and more accurate than ever. He doesnt look as if he straining. He looks more effortless? I am trying to think of the word but cannot come up with it.
    I dont think the techniques that he has learned all these years are wrong. Maybe outdated? The coach is a nice guy and has played baseball when he was young. He plays Mountain ball or slow pitch now for recreation.

    I am looking for instructional dvds where my son and I can watch together and learn together and hopefully not outdated type. There are no clinics or places where we can get personal instruction. So it is me and my son. I am looking for dvds where they teach the fundamentals on rotational hitting and how we can get better with drills and such. Outfield and infield, how to play each position and what each position is responsible for. Fielding and Catching, how to drills and such. Base Running, how to drills and such.
    I came across:
    Elite Baseball Instruction -John Savage head coach UCLA
    Skills and Drills- Dr. Bragg Stockton
    59 minute baseball practice- Marty Schupak
    CoachesChoice-Tony Dello and numeruous others.

    Are these good instructional dvds that will help my son advance his skill level in hitting and throwing as well as all positions?

    Any other recommendations?

    I did a search on instructional videos here but alot were from a few years ago. I did look at Steve Englishbey's site but am uncertain if it is geared for children learning. The sites I posted above excluding Coacheschoice seem to be geared for children. (Easy to understand)

    Sorry this is so long, but I figured I lay it all out on the table about my situation. Thank you!

  • #2
    Originally posted by new2thesport View Post
    I have been looking on the internet for instructional dvds the past few weeks. I came across this website and I have read alot of posts and it really seems that many of you posess incredible knowledge of the game. I want to help teach my son who will be 9 soon.
    He has belonged to Little League for the past 4 years and has played T-ball for 2 years and Coach Pitch for 2 years. He really enjoys baseball. As a father, I have watched his practices and his games. I assist him by just re-telling what the coach instructs him to do. The season has ended and he still wants to practice baseball. We practice almost daily after school and on the weekend. But all I can do is re-tell and I cannot give him more advice.
    One of the disadvantages for my son is that other fathers seem to know the game, while I have never played the game. They offer advice to their children and even the coaches child does things that are different than what my son is being taught in practice. (One time, the ball was hit foul in a game and I threw it back to the coach and he told me that I better learn how to throw. I just laughed because he is right!) I spent my childhood days learning martial arts and after 30+years, am well versed in many different arts.
    My son's interest is in baseball and I would like to further his knowledge as best I can.
    I have watched clips on youtube, I have bought a book(Don Mattingly) and I have purchased a dvd (Ripken Way defense)
    The youtube clips were helpful but didnt go to in depth. The book was good for my knowledge but I had questions that couldnt be answered and I couldnt pass on the knowledge to my son. Ripken was great for a double play(which doesnt happen in his games) and we learned how to step and catch on second base. But nothing notable for the other positions.
    I came across a "rotational hitting 101" from Chris Oleary and that was very interesting. We could scroll on a picture of Albert Pujols and actually see a baseball swing in detail. He even provided commentary. If you use the scroll mouse, the swing is in slow motion. We emulated the "rotational swing" and not extending the arms and my son has been hitting with alot more power. During his season, he always hits line drives and the majority wouldnt go past the bases. In the air, it would drop before second base.(this was one month ago). After we viewed "rotational hitting 101", his line drives rocket past the bases with authority and in the air, deep in the outfield. The bases are 60 feet and we measured his hits in outfield at 130 feet, where it landed. Thats a 100+percent increase from what he was doing when he played! He was hitting just as far as or even farther than the "big" hitters on the team and that includes the coach's son.
    In a few days, he improved dramatically, just from "emulating" a rotational swing. I dont even know if we were doing it right, we just tried to emulate. It would be nice to know how to do it correctly so he can build on a solid foundation that would carry him to the next level, if he chooses to continue.
    I think he is ready for more than, "bat to the ball, swing hard, keep your eyes on the ball" instructions that he was given. I am not blaming the coach at all! He gives those instructions to all the children except his son. I figured that his son was more advanced so he needed more detail.
    Even his throwing technique is different. He was taught, point at your target with your glove hand, ball above your head and throw and follow through. On the internet, I saw demonstrations that the glove hand is bent like an L, shoulder and elbow pointing at your target. We emulated this technique and he is throwing faster, farther and more accurate than ever. He doesnt look as if he straining. He looks more effortless? I am trying to think of the word but cannot come up with it.
    I dont think the techniques that he has learned all these years are wrong. Maybe outdated? The coach is a nice guy and has played baseball when he was young. He plays Mountain ball or slow pitch now for recreation.

    I am looking for instructional dvds where my son and I can watch together and learn together and hopefully not outdated type. There are no clinics or places where we can get personal instruction. So it is me and my son. I am looking for dvds where they teach the fundamentals on rotational hitting and how we can get better with drills and such. Outfield and infield, how to play each position and what each position is responsible for. Fielding and Catching, how to drills and such. Base Running, how to drills and such.
    I came across:
    Elite Baseball Instruction -John Savage head coach UCLA
    Skills and Drills- Dr. Bragg Stockton
    59 minute baseball practice- Marty Schupak
    CoachesChoice-Tony Dello and numeruous others.

    Are these good instructional dvds that will help my son advance his skill level in hitting and throwing as well as all positions?

    Any other recommendations?

    I did a search on instructional videos here but alot were from a few years ago. I did look at Steve Englishbey's site but am uncertain if it is geared for children learning. The sites I posted above excluding Coacheschoice seem to be geared for children. (Easy to understand)

    Sorry this is so long, but I figured I lay it all out on the table about my situation. Thank you!
    Coach (dad), Welcome to the club. You are going to have a blast. I have gone full cycle with my children and had the opportunity to coach with my son last year....

    First and foremost there is nothing more important or effective in teaching the game of baseball than a motivated father and son team.

    With that said I do not feel you need to go and buy a whole bunch of material in order to learn. There are general and specific sites that can help you with the key elements of the game. I will PM you my suggestions.

    The key is that a measure of a good coach is not how well he played the game it's how well he can teach it. Some of the worse teachers I have seen have been former pros and college players. Some of the best never played...
    "He who dares to teach, must never cease to learn."
    - John Cotton Dana (1856–1929) - Offered to many by L. Olson - Iowa (Teacher)
    Please read Baseball Fever Policy and Forum FAQ before posting.

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    • #3
      well u started on the right track u are on a great site to find info.

      as a father i can sympathize with u. even tho i played thru 9th grade, when my son took it up i was kinda lost cause from what i was taught and what i have learned from this site and a few others sites i was clueless on a lot of things. the past few years i have learned more from the ppl on this site then i could ever hope to have(free information). i am not the person for reading books and i am sure there are some real good ones out there but i have found if u just take the time to read thru the posts on this site u will gain a wealth of knowledge. u have to look past some of the arguments and pick and choose what is comfortable for ur son. i have found out that what may be great for one does not always work for others. the main thing is that u are trying to help and the ppl on this site will help.

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      • #4
        Thanks for the Private Message Jake! I did check out the information. The pitching one doesnt have anything though, just a message board.(no dvds)

        Son who is sidearm, you werent kidding with all the arguments!!! I have spent the past 3 hours reading alot of it! It is not limited to one specific site. It goes from many different websites. One in particular was about Englishbey and setpro, about in Englishbey posse, and goes another site called eteams. One website for pitching and injuries showed a "not" to do picture of an inverted W. Then on another website, the guy teaches the how to pitch properly and there is a picture of an inverted W.
        Alot of stuff was from 05 and 06.

        I am going to teach my son golf! Just kiddding!!!

        I should change my name to confused even more!

        Thanks for the advice and thanks for such a quick response.

        One more question, are pitching throwing techniques the same as outfield/infield throwing to the bases? Do I look for another type of instructional for that as well? (I see on some dvds about outfield playing: fielding and throwing, so am wondering if it is a different style of throwing).

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        • #5
          Originally posted by new2thesport View Post
          I am going to teach my son golf! Just kiddding!!!I
          You would not have the same problems in golf as you would have in baseball. Golf has done a great job qualifying their instructors and the information they teach. Most clubs have PGA pros who have been trained. Baseball everybody and their uncle can claim to be a teacher whether they know what they're doing or not.
          "He who dares to teach, must never cease to learn."
          - John Cotton Dana (1856–1929) - Offered to many by L. Olson - Iowa (Teacher)
          Please read Baseball Fever Policy and Forum FAQ before posting.

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          • #6
            I feel the proliferation of TB has hurt the game. 70% of children who play quit before the age of 13. One of the key reasons is it is no longer fun- they're burnt out by over-zealeous parents who feel "we have Jr.'s best interest at heart." Believe me I made the same mistakes and baseball is not like travel soccer. In travel soccer kids get tired, in travel baseball kids get hurt.. Here's what I recommend

            1. U12 - Little League or similar rec league and Fall ball. This is plenty! 25-35 Games is more than enough.

            2. 13-15 - MS/HS plus one other short season, be that Jr. League, Jr. Legion or AAU. 40-50 games.

            3. 16+ - HS and Legion ball. If Legion is not available then one short season with a TB team. 50-60 games.

            NONE should be played at the same time and I recommend a break between the two. Year round baseball is bad no matter what anyone tells you for prebubescent and pubescent players. Even the games very best take 5 months off.

            Quotes like:
            "My kid needs to play year round in order to keep his skills up."
            "If he wants to be the best he needs to hitting/throwing every day."
            "Hey this kid is special."
            "If he doesn't play 100 games he'll be left behind."
            Etc...
            Are usually more about the parents than it is the players.

            Hope this helps...
            Jake
            "He who dares to teach, must never cease to learn."
            - John Cotton Dana (1856–1929) - Offered to many by L. Olson - Iowa (Teacher)
            Please read Baseball Fever Policy and Forum FAQ before posting.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Jake Patterson View Post
              I feel the proliferation of TB has hurt the game. 70% of children who play quit before the age of 13. One of the key reasons is it is no longer fun- they're burnt out by over-zealeous parents who feel "we have Jr.'s best interest at heart." Believe me I made the same mistakes and baseball is not like travel soccer. In travel soccer kids get tired, in travel baseball kids get hurt.. Here's what I recommend

              1. U12 - Little League or similar rec league and Fall ball. This is plenty! 25-35 Games is more than enough.

              2. 13-15 - MS/HS plus one other short season, be that Jr. League, Jr. Legion or AAU. 40-50 games.

              3. 16+ - HS and Legion ball. If Legion is not available then one short season with a TB team. 50-60 games.

              NONE should be played at the same time and I recommend a break between the two. Year round baseball is bad no matter what anyone tells you for prebubescent and pubescent players. Even the games very best take 5 months off.

              Quotes like:
              "My kid needs to play year round in order to keep his skills up."
              "If he wants to be the best he needs to hitting/throwing every day."
              "Hey this kid is special."
              "If he doesn't play 100 games he'll be left behind."
              Etc...
              Are usually more about the parents than it is the players.

              Hope this helps...
              Jake
              Thanks Jake. We only have Little League in our area. The only other baseball that I know of is in High School which my son is far away from (he is in 3rd grade).

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              • #8
                New2, I think you've got a great, open attitude toward working with your kid and accepting your personal limitations. I think one of the biggest obstacles that many of us who have played is to think that we should teach our kids the way that we were taught, and by the time we get off our egos and endeavor to learn the right way the game should be played, we've already messed up our kids. (Or at least lost credibility, so they look askance at our efforts to teach them something that's 180 degrees from our original approach.) You don't have that handicap.

                One suggestion. . . at this point you will have discovered at least one or two kids on your son's team who love to play and whose dads know and love the game (and have imparted that joy to their kids). Or, you may find them at your son's school. I guarantee that if you go to them and say, "we'd like to join you some time when you go out and maybe help shag balls when your son is hitting and pick up some pointers," they'll leap at the opportunity. Getting two people to shag balls in Dad/son batting practice is golden. And, usually, Dads like that are absolute zealots in spreading the baseball gospel and love to share it with other families.

                But don't worry that you yourself don't know much. You probably have a good enough inkling now to detect if the Dad is steering your kid in the right direction on hitting; a big clue is to ask them "why" they're insisting on a particular technique, cuz if the answer is simply that they learned it that way, there's a risk that they're going to mess up your kid. If you start with the proposition that hitting a baseball is essentially a process for taking advantage of the law of conservation of angular momentum as it applies to a double pendulum, you've got a pretty good framework by which to assess suggestions.

                Other than hitting, the two main skills to learn are throwing and catching. And -- for both of those -- once you get the basic footwork and hand-position down, it's mostly just a matter of practicing and practicing until the kid teaches himself what works and doesn't (with a little guidance from adults).

                And, as Jake says, I envy you your role as a passenger on his journey. Just make sure it's his journey, and not yours . . . and you'll both do fine.
                sigpicIt's not whether you fall -- everyone does -- but how you come out of the fall that counts.

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                • #9
                  New 2 the game.....

                  We are in the same situation. I have a 9 year old that wants to pitch. I have no clue how to properly teach him to pitch. I don't want to teach him incorrectly. I do not want to teach something that could hurt him. Where should we start? I purchased a book from the book store, I can't remember the name. It is very insightful but I'm not sure about it. I will let him read the book but it is very detailed, and again he is 9 years old. Could someone please point me in a good beginning direction? Could someone give me ideas for instruction such as websites, books, dvds or anything? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Cpow View Post
                    We are in the same situation. I have a 9 year old that wants to pitch. I have no clue how to properly teach him to pitch. I don't want to teach him incorrectly. I do not want to teach something that could hurt him. Where should we start? I purchased a book from the book store, I can't remember the name. It is very insightful but I'm not sure about it. I will let him read the book but it is very detailed, and again he is 9 years old. Could someone please point me in a good beginning direction? Could someone give me ideas for instruction such as websites, books, dvds or anything? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
                    For pitching, I like Tom House (National Pitching Association) and Ron Wolforth (Pitching Central).

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