Tip-n-Rip Hype

[BoardMember]

Ok, I've now spent the better part of a week watching MLB games.

I've also spent that time watching the loading sequences of most all hitters in those games.

I'm would guestimate that better then 95% of current MLB hitters (that I watched) DO NOT "tip" the bat as part of the load pattern..........

Whats all the hype?........

[callyjr]

Ok, I've now spent the better part of a week watching MLB games.

I've also spent that time watching the loading sequences of most all hitters in those games.

I'm would guestimate that better then 95% of current MLB hitters (that I watched) DO NOT "tip" the bat as part of the load pattern..........

Whats all the hype?........

Most your HR hitters Tip it. Maybe your just not sure what tipping it really means.

[BoardMember]

Most your HR hitters Tip it. Maybe your just not sure what tipping it really means.

Oh I know what it means Cally. I stand by my estimates overall.......

[Encinitas]

Well typically in these threads Dmac would go about posting 20 or so all-time greats who did. Dmac was untouchable in terms of challenging what he had to say (he was off-limits). Now that he's passed on most seem to agree that a running start of the barrel doesn't absolutely break any of their core teachings (Both Englishbey and Epstein seem to be fine with that loading pattern though I don't think either would recommend that as a starting place).

Plus how do you define tip? To me it's any pre-launch barrel movement. Some point out to the field some over the helmet. Donny used to speak of going from 45 to 90, and back to 45 before launch. Are those guys tippers? Chipper?

Coach Cohen from UK has a barrel awareness drill where he wants the barrel out in front of the helmet pointed towards the 2nd Basemen. However he doesn't teach this as an absolute, it's merely one of the options he gives for timing along with the knee lift drill and the toe tap drill.

Chase Utley? ehh not so much.

Also bear in mind nobody out there is on record that I know of saying tipping is some kind of absolute. Donny and Richard certainly never have stated that as fact. I think it's merely mentioned as a valid way to occupy the hands and allow that shoulder to "stay in there". Donny used the term prime the forearms.

[callyjr]

[callyjr]

Oh I know what it means Cally. I stand by my estimates overall.......

what % of players would you say make the Hall of Fame?

[BoardMember]

OK, so I'll define my idea of "tipping" vs. a normal loading pattern that breaks inertia while remaining behind the head.

Anytime the bathead moves outside the head when viewed from the pitchers mound the bat head is being tipped IMO........

Don't confuse loading with tipping.......I'm speaking strickly of "tipping" the bathead oppo anywhere OUTSIDE the head.....

This guy is "tipping" the bathead:



This guy is simply loading. There would be ZERO emphasis on "tipping" in this swing.........:

Well typically in these threads Dmac would go about posting 20 or so all-time greats who did. Dmac was untouchable in terms of challenging what he had to say (he was off-limits). Now that he's passed on most seem to agree that a running start of the barrel doesn't absolutely break any of their core teachings (Both Englishbey and Epstein seem to be fine with that loading pattern though I don't think either would recommend that as a starting place).

Plus how do you define tip? To me it's any pre-launch barrel movement. Some point out to the field some over the helmet. Donny used to speak of going from 45 to 90, and back to 45 before launch. Are those guys tippers? Chipper?

Coach Cohen from UK has a barrel awareness drill where he wants the barrel out in front of the helmet pointed towards the 2nd Basemen. However he doesn't teach this as an absolute, it's merely one of the options he gives for timing along with the knee lift drill and the toe tap drill.

Chase Utley? ehh not so much.

Also bear in mind nobody out there is on record that I know of saying tipping is some kind of absolute. Donny and Richard certainly never have stated that as fact. I think it's merely mentioned as a valid way to occupy the hands and allow that shoulder to "stay in there". Donny used the term prime the forearms.

[BoardMember]

This guy is "tipping" the bathead:

[BoardMember]

There is only one guy in these clips "tipping" the bathead IMO.......

The others are simple loading properly. There is a huge difference in the sequence between "tipping" and "loading".......

Simply "raising" the rear elbow is not "tipping" as in the definition of "tip and rip" IMO........

Donny emphasized TIPPING OPPO, JUST LIKE HIS KID..........Neither of these guys are doing this.........

[callyjr]

There is only one guy in these clips "tipping" the bathead IMO.......

The others are simple loading properly. There is a huge difference in the sequence between "tipping" and "loading".......



Simply "raising" the rear elbow is not "tipping" as in the definition of "tip and rip" IMO........

Donny emphasized TIPPING OPPO, JUST LIKE HIS KID..........Neither of these guys are doing this.........

All 3 raise the elbow, not sure they are doing anything else though, but not all major league players do this.

[BoardMember]

This guy is "tipping":

[BoardMember]

All 3 raise the elbow, not sure they are doing anything else though, but not all major league players do this.

Cally, when the bat head falls away from the body during the load, it meets Donny's definition of the tip n rip..........

Need I remind you?

[BoardMember]

In fact, I would go so far as to say this is the most common loading pattern in the Major Leagues today:

[BoardMember]

what % of players would you say make the Hall of Fame?

What percentage of the hitters you coach will make it?

Back to reality, and the reason for my question.

What's all the hype about the tip n rip?

I don't see it........

[BoardMember]

Well typically in these threads Dmac would go about posting 20 or so all-time greats who did. Dmac was untouchable in terms of challenging what he had to say (he was off-limits). Now that he's passed on most seem to agree that a running start of the barrel doesn't absolutely break any of their core teachings (Both Englishbey and Epstein seem to be fine with that loading pattern though I don't think either would recommend that as a starting place).

Plus how do you define tip? To me it's any pre-launch barrel movement. Some point out to the field some over the helmet. Donny used to speak of going from 45 to 90, and back to 45 before launch. Are those guys tippers? Chipper?

Coach Cohen from UK has a barrel awareness drill where he wants the barrel out in front of the helmet pointed towards the 2nd Basemen. However he doesn't teach this as an absolute, it's merely one of the options he gives for timing along with the knee lift drill and the toe tap drill.

Chase Utley? ehh not so much.

Also bear in mind nobody out there is on record that I know of saying tipping is some kind of absolute. Donny and Richard certainly never have stated that as fact. I think it's merely mentioned as a valid way to occupy the hands and allow that shoulder to "stay in there". Donny used the term prime the forearms.

Point taken Enc. My question is how many hitters hit 90 degrees, which would put the bathead outside the head during the load sequence, considering the hands are infront of the rear shoulder during the load........

I would venture less then 5-10%...........

Emphasizing "tipping" is over rated using this as a requisite IMO.......