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    While we seem to be on the topic. Here's an article from a few years ago.

    FRIDAY, OCTOBER 20, 2006

    Who’s Killing Kids’ Sports?
    By David Oliver Relin
    Published: August 7, 2005

    Two years ago, when he was still in high school, pro basketball prospect LeBron James inked an endorsement contract with Nike worth between $90 million and $100 million. Five days later, the $1 million contract Nike offered to Maryland soccer prodigy Freddy Adu seemed almost ordinary, except for one detail—Freddy was just 13 years old.

    In the summer of 2003, Jeret Adair, a 15-year-old pitcher from Atlanta, started 64 games with his elite traveling baseball team—more than most pro players pitch in an entire season. After the ligament in his elbow snapped, he had to undergo reconstructive surgery, a process once reserved for aging professional pitchers. In 2004, his doctor, James Andrews, performed similar surgery on 50 other high school pitchers.

    Last March, Valerie Yianacopolus of Wakefield, Mass., was sentenced to one year of probation, including 50 hours of community service, and ordered to watch a sportsmanship video after she was found guilty of assaulting an 11-year-old boy who was cheering for the opposing team at her son’s Little League game. And in June, according to state police, Mark Downs, the coach of a youth T-ball team near Uniontown, Pa., allegedly offered one of his players $25 to throw a baseball at the head of a 9-year-old disabled teammate so the injured boy wouldn’t be able to play in an upcoming game. League rules mandate that every healthy child play at least three innings. “The coach was very competitive,” said State Trooper Thomas B. Broadwater. “He wanted to win.”

    A Sports Culture Run Amok
    Across the country, millions of children are being chewed up and spit out by a sports culture run amok. With pro scouts haunting the nation’s playgrounds in search of the next LeBron or Freddy, parents and coaches are conspiring to run youth-sports leagues like incubators for future professional athletes. Prepubescent athletes are experimenting with performance-enhancing drugs. Doctors are reporting sharp spikes in injuries caused by year-round specialization in a single sport at an early age. And all too often, the simple pleasure of playing sports is being buried beneath cutthroat competition.

    “If I had to sum up the crisis in kids’ sports,” says J. Duke Albanese, Maine’s former commissioner of education, “I’d do it in one word—adults.”

    Some adults, Albanese says, are pushing children toward unrealistic goals like college sports scholarships and pro contracts. According to National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) statistics, fewer than 2% of high school athletes will ever receive a college athletic scholarship. Only one in 13,000 high school athletes will ever receive a paycheck from a professional team.

    “There is a terrible imbalance between the needs kids have and the needs of the adults running their sports programs,” says Dr. Bruce Svare, director of the National Institute for Sports Reform. “Above all, kids need to have fun. Instead, adults are providing unrealistic expectations and crushing pressure.”

    As a result, Svare says, at a time when an epidemic of obesity is plaguing the nation’s youth, 70% of America’s children are abandoning organized sports by age 13. “The only way to reverse this crisis,” Svare argues, “is to fundamentally rethink the way America’s kids play organized sports.”

    Is Change Possible?
    Many communities are trying to change the way they approach children’s sports. Florida’s Jupiter-Tequesta Athletic Association, facing a rash of violent behavior by sports parents, now requires them to take an online course on how to behave at their children’s athletic events. School officials in Connecticut, concerned about the toll of too much focus on a single sport, instituted a statewide ban on students playing on a private travel team during the same season they play their sport in high school.

    But no reform effort is more aggressive than that of the state of Maine, where educators, student athletes and others have teamed up to launch a counterrevolution called Sports Done Right. Led by J. Duke Albanese and Robert Cobb, dean of the University of Maine’s College of Education, and funded by a federal grant secured by U.S. Sen. Susan M. Collins, the project aims to radically remake Maine’s youth-sports culture and provide a model that the rest of America might emulate.

    The Maine Challenge
    Their first step is a sweeping campaign to dial down the kind of competition that leads many kids to drop out of sports at an early age. “I was a high school football coach—I know how badly communities want their teams to win,” Albanese says. “We’re not saying there’s anything wrong with competition. We’re saying what’s appropriate at the varsity level is out of bounds in grade school and middle school. That’s a time to encourage as many children as possible to play. Period.

    ”To do that, the Sports Done Right team held statewide summit meetings before producing an action plan. It chose 12 school districts as the program’s pilot sites, but so many other districts clamored to participate that it is now under way in dozens more.

    The program has identified core principles that it insists must be present in a healthy sports environment for kids, including good sportsmanship, discouragement of early specialization and the assurance that teams below the varsity level make it their mission to develop the skills of every child on every team, to promote a lifelong involvement with sports.

    Sports Done Right’s second task is to attack the two problems it says are most responsible for the crisis in kids’ sports—the behavior of parents and coaches.

    Problem #1: Out of Control Parents
    The behavior of blem #1: Out-of-Control adults has been at the center of the debate about reforming kids’ sports ever since 2002, when Thomas Junta of Reading, Mass., was convicted of beating Michael Costin to death during an argument at their sons’ youth hockey practice. “I’ve watched adult civility in youth sports spiral downward since the early 1990s,” says Doug Abrams, a law professor at the University of Missouri, who has tracked media reports of out-of-control sports parents for more than a decade. “At one time, adults who acted like lunatics were shunned as outcasts. But today, they are too often tolerated.”

    The nearly 100 Maine students Parade interviewed recited a litany of incidents involving adults behaving badly, including examples of their own parents being removed from sporting events by police. Nate Chantrill, 17—a shot-putter and discus thrower at Edward Little High School in Auburn and a varsity football player—volunteers to coach a coed fifth-grade football team. “One game, a parent flipped out that we didn’t start his daughter,” Chantrill recalls. “He was screaming, using bad language and saying she’s the best player out there. Parents take this stuff way too seriously. Fifth-grade football is not the Super Bowl. It’s a place for your kid to learn some skills and have fun. One parent can ruin it for all the kids.”

    That’s why each Sports Done Right district is holding training sessions to define out-of-bounds behavior at sporting events and requiring the parents of every student who plays to sign a compact promising to abide by higher standards of sportsmanship.

    Problem #2: Poor Coaching
    Dan Campbell, who has coached Edward Little’s track team to two state championships, says he sees too many of his peers pressing to win at all costs and neglecting their primary responsibility—to educate and inspire children. “One coach can destroy a kid for a lifetime,” he says. “I’ve seen it over and over.”

    “I was at an AAU basketball game where the ref gave the coach a technical and threw him out of the game,” says Doug Joerss, who was starting center on Cony High School’s basketball team. “Then the coach swung at the ref. The kids ended up on the floor, getting into a huge brawl. You look up to coaches. Kids think, ‘If it’s OK for them to do it, it’s OK for me to do it.’ ”

    A campaign to improve the quality of coaching is at the center of Sports Done Right. “The most powerful mentors kids have are coaches,” J. Duke Albanese says. “Coaches don’t even realize the extent of their influence.” He disparages the national trend to offer coaches salary incentives based on their won-lost records. Instead, Sports Done Right recommends compensation based on their level of training. And each pilot school district is encouraged to send coaches to continuing-education classes in subjects like leadership and child psychology.

    Exporting Good Sense
    Educators in 30 states have requested more information from Sports Done Right. “We think a small place like Maine is a perfect place to get kids’ sports culture under control,” says Albanese. “And if we can do that, maybe we can export the good sense Maine is famous for to the rest of the country.”

    An example of that good sense recently occurred at a Sports Done Right pilot site. “An influential parent, a guy who volunteers to coach sixth-grade basketball, wanted the kids divided into an A and a B team, so he could coach just the elite kids,” says Stephen Rogers, the principal of Lyman Moore Middle School. “I said we weren’t going to separate the kids and discourage half of them. We were going to encourage all of our interested kids to play.”

    “But we won’t win the championship,” the parent complained.

    “I don’t really care,” Rogers replied. “We’re not talking about the Celtics. We’re talking about sixth-graders.”
    ________________________________________
    How To Be a Good Sports Parent

    Fixing the crisis in kids’ sports begins at home. Here are some tips from Sports Done Right to get parents started:

    * Encourage your child, regardless of his or her degree of success or level of skill.

    * Ensure a balance in your student athlete’s life, encouraging participation in multiple sports and activities while placing academics first.

    * Emphasize enjoyment, development of skills and team play as the cornerstones of your child’s early sports experiences while reserving serious competition for the varsity level.

    * Leave coaching to coaches and avoid placing too much pressure on your youngster about playing time and performance.

    * Be realistic about your child’s future in sports, recognizing that only a select few earn a college scholarship, compete in the Olympics or sign a professional contract.

    * Be there when your child looks to the sidelines for a positive role m
    Last edited by Jake Patterson; 05-07-2008, 08:04 AM.
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  • #2
    I find that I have to check my own expectations of my young son's performance with his abilities and enjoyment level.

    Is he having fun? Yes. That's the most important thing.

    When he isn't satisfied with how he is doing, I think the desire to learn -- on his terms-- will be the open door to make significant progress.

    Not to say we don't practice together a lot and work on technique, but I try not to push too hard on how hard he hits the ball or how fast he runs.

    Its over if stops being fun to him.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by BamaYankee View Post
      I find that I have to check my own expectations of my young son's performance with his abilities and enjoyment level.
      Having been the father of two boys I found I really blew it with #1 son. I was what I now preach against. How you do/did can only be realized when you are able to speak with your children as adults. I batted .500.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Jake Patterson View Post
        Having been the father of two boys I found I really blew it with #1 son. I was what I now preach against. How you do/did can only be realized when you are able to speak with your children as adults. I batted .500.

        I agree with both you and Bama...the biggest issue is parental expectation. And like you, I need to check myself often, because I want what we all want...our son/daughter to be the best.

        But like Bama said again...it has to be fun. The people you see in the majors or even Brett Farve for a recent example...the most successful and happiest professional athletes are the ones who love playing the GAME...and that's exactly what it is...a GAME and it has to be fun.

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        • #5
          Speaking to my son as a coach (him being the coach) is much more eye opening than speaking with him as my son.

          I love the old saying We would be wise to listen to the old man as he has walked the path on which we are about to step.

          In my case I should have listen to my dad when my kids were young boys.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Jake Patterson View Post
            Speaking to my son as a coach (him being the coach) is much more eye opening than speaking with him as my son.

            I love the old saying We would be wise to listen to the old man as he has walked the path on which we are about to step.

            In my case I should have listen to my dad when my kids were young boys.
            Amen...you and me both...I'm just glad he's still around for me to ask advice...better late than never.

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            • #7
              One of the things that pushes adults is the thought "Have I done all that I could for my child?". When you know that your kid wants to play HS ball how do you go about helping him?

              Assume all the below kids are 12 years old at the start.

              1. One parent says "I let him find his own way, and if he makes it, fine, if not, fine." That parent waits for his kid to ask for help, etc. That kid normally gets cut from the Freshmen team but with a bit of help could have made it.

              2. Another parent take his kid out to practice (or lessons, whatever) and carefully watches his son for reactions to doing it. Does he want to practice, does he understand, etc? This kid has a decent chance of making the freshmen team depending on his own desire.

              3. Another parent takes his kid out to practice (lessons, whatever) and carefully watches his son for reactions but on occasion they practice when the son doesn't really want to. He reminds the son that at times you have to work to get what you want and results are found when you do it anyway. This kid has a better then decent chance of making the freshmen team.

              4. Another parent puts their kid on a regimen of focused practices, lesson, teams, etc. to maximize what is inside the kid. He knows that it's work but he watches the kid to make sure it isn't too much. This kid has a great chance of making the freshmen team.

              5. Yet another parent, similar to the above, puts their kid on a regimen of focuses practices, lessons, etc. to maximize what is inside the kid but isn't connected to their kid. Results are the focus. This kid will most likely make the freshmen team.

              All the above assume the player trys out for the freshmen team. Which parents are "doing all they can for their kid"? Which parents are doing it right and which are doing it wrong?

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              • #8
                I'm struggling with this now (sorry for the length of this post)

                That was a great article and reminder.

                Our team, rec 11U baseball, started out well and beat the "best" team in the league twice. We've played 4 bad games in a row, however, losing 3 of them by wide margins (we're now 4-5).

                My struggle isn't with their performance or effort. They're 11, in a rec league, and trying their best. I encourage during games, I instruct during practices. My concern is that in the losses they've played poor fundamental baseball (throwing, catching, fielding). I hear from them that they're getting teased at school by the other players and that irks me.

                We had a sit down after the first "bad" loss and talked a couple of minutes about if we were "that good" because we beat the best team (concluded that we weren't) and if we were "that bad" because we lost badly to another team (concluded that we weren't). We then had a good practice where they demonstrated their abilities as well as I'd seen them to that point.

                My "teaching points" this year have been fundamentals and making routine plays routine. Also, that if you make a mistake not to hang your head but to hustle until the play is over then forget it happened because you can't do anything about it.

                I've heard second-hand from my wife that many of the parents are inquiring if I'm coaching in the fall because they want their sons on my team. That's flattering, and I appreciate it, but I would like to know if the kids would like to come back to play (not just for me but because they've developed a desire for the game). My worry is that with the recent spate of losses that they will loose some of that desire to play. I suppose if losing is all it takes then the desire wasn't very deep anyway, but kids do pay attention to that kind of thing. Interestingly enough, I've also stressed that losing is an inherent part of the game (where else can you fail 7 out of 10 times at bat and get paid millions?), so hopefully they understand that baseball isn't about winning, but how you deal with the inevitable failures.

                In any case, I'm going to concentrate on our remaining games/practices on being encouraging, supportive, and instructive. I told them and the parents at the beginning of the season that we would move players around during the game (we have), that we would sometimes not have our "best" team on the field in clutch moments, and that winning games wasn't the focus, but it would be nice if it happens. I'm going to try hard to be sure and continue to live this through the end of the season.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by CoachHenry View Post
                  One of the things that pushes adults is the thought "Have I done all that I could for my child?". When you know that your kid wants to play HS ball how do you go about helping him?

                  Assume all the below kids are 12 years old at the start.

                  1. One parent says "I let him find his own way, and if he makes it, fine, if not, fine." That parent waits for his kid to ask for help, etc. That kid normally gets cut from the Freshmen team but with a bit of help could have made it.

                  2. Another parent take his kid out to practice (or lessons, whatever) and carefully watches his son for reactions to doing it. Does he want to practice, does he understand, etc? This kid has a decent chance of making the freshmen team depending on his own desire.

                  3. Another parent takes his kid out to practice (lessons, whatever) and carefully watches his son for reactions but on occasion they practice when the son doesn't really want to. He reminds the son that at times you have to work to get what you want and results are found when you do it anyway. This kid has a better then decent chance of making the freshmen team.

                  4. Another parent puts their kid on a regimen of focused practices, lesson, teams, etc. to maximize what is inside the kid. He knows that it's work but he watches the kid to make sure it isn't too much. This kid has a great chance of making the freshmen team.

                  5. Yet another parent, similar to the above, puts their kid on a regimen of focuses practices, lessons, etc. to maximize what is inside the kid but isn't connected to their kid. Results are the focus. This kid will most likely make the freshmen team.

                  All the above assume the player trys out for the freshmen team. Which parents are "doing all they can for their kid"? Which parents are doing it right and which are doing it wrong?
                  Having had two boys who played HS and beyond I suugest you support your son to the degree he requires and desires support. At the end of the day he's the one who has to make the committment - not you. What you do is secondary to your son's intents. If he wants and needs lessons then I would do what I could to get them. If he wants to go to the field to get a few extra cuts then I would do what I could to help him. When you make it about what other parents are doing then it becomes about the parents and not the player.

                  Somehow we have evolved into believing that what we do as parents is the primary reason for our children's athletic successes and failures. This is incorrect. The primary reason for their inability to play at the HS level is THEIR lack of talent and lack of desire, not whether mom or dad got him lessons.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by CoachHenry View Post
                    One of the things that pushes adults is the thought "Have I done all that I could for my child?". When you know that your kid wants to play HS ball how do you go about helping him?

                    Assume all the below kids are 12 years old at the start.

                    1. One parent says "I let him find his own way, and if he makes it, fine, if not, fine." That parent waits for his kid to ask for help, etc. That kid normally gets cut from the Freshmen team but with a bit of help could have made it.

                    2. Another parent take his kid out to practice (or lessons, whatever) and carefully watches his son for reactions to doing it. Does he want to practice, does he understand, etc? This kid has a decent chance of making the freshmen team depending on his own desire.

                    3. Another parent takes his kid out to practice (lessons, whatever) and carefully watches his son for reactions but on occasion they practice when the son doesn't really want to. He reminds the son that at times you have to work to get what you want and results are found when you do it anyway. This kid has a better then decent chance of making the freshmen team.

                    4. Another parent puts their kid on a regimen of focused practices, lesson, teams, etc. to maximize what is inside the kid. He knows that it's work but he watches the kid to make sure it isn't too much. This kid has a great chance of making the freshmen team.

                    5. Yet another parent, similar to the above, puts their kid on a regimen of focuses practices, lessons, etc. to maximize what is inside the kid but isn't connected to their kid. Results are the focus. This kid will most likely make the freshmen team.

                    All the above assume the player trys out for the freshmen team. Which parents are "doing all they can for their kid"? Which parents are doing it right and which are doing it wrong?
                    I don't believe any of them are doing it right or wrong. Kids will, hopefully learn lessons by either making the team or not and they will figure out what is really important to them. Parents will learn lessons about how to help their child achieve, if not this goal, another goal.

                    My son didn't make the freshman team on the first tryout we basically were in the 2 - category. I would go out & practice with him - but he really complained whenever I asked if he wanted to do it - so I just quit asking him if he wanted to do it. He got cut on July 24th, 2007.

                    On July 25th he asked me to go outside & throw. Soon after he asked for more pitching lessons, began running for conditioning purposes, did core body work, and did flat ground throwing. On February 18, 2008 he made the team. He worked hard to get there and he did require a little encouragement, at times, from his mom & me. However, he still isn't the number 1 pitcher on the freshmen team but he is still working on his own to get stronger and better. He may become number 1, he may not. But I think the most positive thing that could've happened to him was that he got cut. Until that point he hadn't realized that you might have to work for something if you want it bad enough.

                    During the process, I learned to be patient and listen. I also understood my role as a parent was to provide as much encouragement as I was capable so he could reach his goal.

                    He talks about being a D1 college pitcher, but he is getting to the age where other interests (girls, money, job, etc.) start competing with ball. I have to remind him at times when he is complaining about working out, throwing, or studying and not playing video games that to be a D1 pitcher requires commitment and sacrifice.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Jake Patterson View Post
                      Having had two boys who played HS and beyond I suugest you support your son to the degree he requires and desires support. At the end of the day he's the one who has to make the committment - not you. What you do is secondary to your son's intents. If he wants and needs lessons then I would do what I could to get them. If he wants to go to the field to get a few extra cuts then I would do what I could to help him. When you make it about what other parents are doing then it becomes about the parents and not the player.

                      Somehow we have evolved into believing that what we do as parents is the primary reason for our children's athletic successes and failures. This is incorrect. The primary reason for their inability to play at the HS level is THEIR lack of talent and lack of desire, not whether mom or dad got him lessons.
                      I agree with you except for a few things. One, you take a kid who has the ability to play HS but never got any attention and that same kid who has some reasonable level of help and one is probably going to not make the team and the other is. Of course the GIFTED kid is going to make it either way but those kids are rare. Therefore a bit of guidance can go a long way. It doesn't have to be lessons, it can be working with Dad or Mom or an Uncle or whomever. Help in some manner. If you wait for the kid to say "Hey, I want you to go outside and help me learn how to use my hips...." that's not going to happen.

                      We as parents lead our kids down their life and teach them whatever they need to be on their own at some point. We do it in their schoolwork, interaction with people, and their extra-curricular activities. I personally don't consider baseball (and other activities) to be just baseball, it's much more then that. It's an opportunity to learn how to compete later in life, how to win, how to lose and what to do when you don't like the results. How to follow and how to lead. And so on. So when my son is playing a sport and we have talked about how HE wants to be on the HS team and what HIS goals are, I help him all I can to a reasonable degree. And that includes me noticing that he's doing something wrong at the plate or with his pitching motion and taking him outside to work on it. I don't wait on him to tell me because he might not know it's off. I do because I know his mechanics better then he does. If he doesn't WANT to go out and work on it we don't and I certainly don't march him out there 3 or 4 times a week. But as he has grown up I have taken the initiative to tell him that we are going to go take extra grounders that evening if nothing is planned. We usually have a good time doing it but sometimes for him it's a bit of work. And working at something that HE wants to excel at is fine with me. We do it with Science projects when he already has a good grade, we do it with guitar playing when he can already play decent songs, etc. Nothing wrong with a bit of work.

                      Now certainly we can both agree that it can be taken too far. I see it all the time. I also feel that too "hand's off" isn't good either. There is a nice wide middle ground that is for each child and parent to discover. I speak to my son about this about once a month. Too much, too little? That way I know if I need to back off or move forward.

                      We have kids that have come up through the rec program and are doing great at the freshmen level. During their rec experience they played on teams, didn't take lessons, etc. We also have kids that have been lessoned to death and are so locked in that when the grind of the season occurs they can't adjust. It isn't natural to them. We also have kids that are in the middle of those two boys and they do well. Each player and parent needs to find what is best for their kid.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by dmullen View Post
                        I don't believe any of them are doing it right or wrong. Kids will, hopefully learn lessons by either making the team or not and they will figure out what is really important to them. Parents will learn lessons about how to help their child achieve, if not this goal, another goal.

                        My son didn't make the freshman team on the first tryout we basically were in the 2 - category. I would go out & practice with him - but he really complained whenever I asked if he wanted to do it - so I just quit asking him if he wanted to do it. He got cut on July 24th, 2007.

                        On July 25th he asked me to go outside & throw. Soon after he asked for more pitching lessons, began running for conditioning purposes, did core body work, and did flat ground throwing. On February 18, 2008 he made the team. He worked hard to get there and he did require a little encouragement, at times, from his mom & me. However, he still isn't the number 1 pitcher on the freshmen team but he is still working on his own to get stronger and better. He may become number 1, he may not. But I think the most positive thing that could've happened to him was that he got cut. Until that point he hadn't realized that you might have to work for something if you want it bad enough.

                        During the process, I learned to be patient and listen. I also understood my role as a parent was to provide as much encouragement as I was capable so he could reach his goal.

                        He talks about being a D1 college pitcher, but he is getting to the age where other interests (girls, money, job, etc.) start competing with ball. I have to remind him at times when he is complaining about working out, throwing, or studying and not playing video games that to be a D1 pitcher requires commitment and sacrifice.
                        This is a great example of a parent who allowed their kid to fail and it worked out great. I think a parents fear of their kid "failing" versus their peers is one of the motivations behind most of what parents do. I personally had a hard time letting my son fail but when he was 13 I let him do that with his hitting and he never did that again. He didn't want to go hit extra so we didn't. Mid way through the season he was hitting horribly and had a few easily correctable issues. He came to me upset one day and was whining about it so I told him that I let him find his own way and it seems that his way was to not put in extra effort. And if he wanted to keep that up that's fine by me. I'd never let him fail before that in anything that I could remember. It was a good lesson for him and me as well.

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                        • #13
                          By the way Jake, I like your attitude and like your input. It may not seem like it to you but your thoughts and mine are very similar on these topics. I just present lots of "what ifs" that might seem like I am pushing the other way.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by CoachHenry View Post
                            By the way Jake, I like your attitude and like your input. It may not seem like it to you but your thoughts and mine are very similar on these topics. I just present lots of "what ifs" that might seem like I am pushing the other way.
                            Thanks....
                            I think we all agree taht in the end it is the athlete who has to decide, not the coach or the parent.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Jake Patterson View Post
                              Thanks....
                              I think we all agree taht in the end it is the athlete who has to decide, not the coach or the parent.

                              Sure. We probably differ a bit in how much prodding the parent does.

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