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    Hey All,

    Check out the PDF attached. Seeking comments on the front leg. In general trying to get him to firm up the front leg but trying find the words for why. He's not sliding forward/lunging. What negatives would this soft front leg be causing in the swing?

    Would you fix the front leg or the bat drag first?

    Thanks- JK
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  • #2
    I think your misinterpreting when to apply the term. The term applies AT CONTACT. His leg is "firm" AT CONTATCT. Yes, it looks a little "awkward", but I would say that's more a personal "style"...at the point of contatct, mechanically, he's correct.
    Look at Frame #10. That's pretty good...
    Last edited by StraightGrain11; 05-19-2008, 04:19 PM.
    "Coaches should teach people to play better baseball, not teach baseball to make better players."
    "In the Little League manual it says 'Baseball builds character' - that is not true. Baseball reveals character." - Augie Garrido

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    • #3
      Originally posted by JeffK 29 View Post
      Hey All,

      Check out the PDF attached. Seeking comments on the front leg. In general trying to get him to firm up the front leg but trying find the words for why. He's not sliding forward/lunging. What negatives would this soft front leg be causing in the swing?

      Would you fix the front leg or the bat drag first?

      Thanks- JK
      I don't see much wrong with his legs. He probably should get the front leg from bent to straight a tiny bit sooner, but it isn't bad. I'd be more concerned with his bat drag, ie leading with the back elbow. You won't see ANY pro hitter's back elbow move like his does.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by jbooth View Post
        I don't see much wrong with his legs. He probably should get the front leg from bent to straight a tiny bit sooner, but it isn't bad. I'd be more concerned with his bat drag, ie leading with the back elbow. You won't see ANY pro hitter's back elbow move like his does.
        pretty noticable frames five thru 8...????

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        • #5
          Originally posted by wogdoggy View Post
          pretty noticable frames five thru 8...????
          Frames 6 and 7 are classic bat drag.

          His lower body is fine.
          Hitting Coordinator for Harris-Stowe State University in St. Louis.

          I also work with the pitchers who are dealing with injury problems.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by JeffK 29 View Post
            Hey All,

            Check out the PDF attached. Seeking comments on the front leg. In general trying to get him to firm up the front leg but trying find the words for why. He's not sliding forward/lunging. What negatives would this soft front leg be causing in the swing?

            ...
            I like the pdf slide show - how did you create that?

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            • #7
              rear arm 2.bmp
              rear arm.bmp
              Realizing the still pictures I am posting, comparing the hitters, appear to be at different times of the overall swing pattern...(see question below)

              Suggestion;
              Perch the rear arm up on this yellow shelf.
              This should lower the lead arm (and shoulder) slightly and raise the barrel some.
              From this position he may be less likely to lead with the rear elbow.

              I posted the first picture in the slide show.
              Question;
              Is the first picture actually the very beginning of his movement pattern?

              The front leg is not too bad.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by LClifton View Post
                [ATTACH]42909[/ATTACH]
                [ATTACH]42908[/ATTACH]
                Realizing the still pictures I am posting, comparing the hitters, appear to be at different times of the overall swing pattern...(see question below)

                Suggestion;
                Perch the rear arm up on this yellow shelf.
                This should lower the lead arm (and shoulder) slightly and raise the barrel some.
                From this position he may be less likely to lead with the rear elbow.

                I posted the first picture in the slide show.
                Question;
                Is the first picture actually the very beginning of his movement pattern?

                The front leg is not too bad.


                I agree,,its not the leg and even if it were it would probably be a timing problem,,,although his swing appears pretty fluid,,his rear elbow as clifton notes is NEVER really in a power position ..imo,,he can never generate any EARLY BATSPEED[yes i believe]...lol..again getting that bat vertical should help him significantly..the vertical bat seems to fix so many hitting faults..

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                • #9
                  That IS pretty cool. You can run it almost like a movie. Bat drag is a problem and rotation is a problem and posture is a problem. How old is he, how well does he hit now and how much higher does he want to play?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Mark H View Post
                    That IS pretty cool. You can run it almost like a movie. Bat drag is a problem and rotation is a problem and posture is a problem. How old is he, how well does he hit now and how much higher does he want to play?
                    Thanks Mark. He's a HS Jr. Played varsity level this year. I want to help him address his issues for next year.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Mark H View Post
                      That IS pretty cool. You can run it almost like a movie. Bat drag is a problem and rotation is a problem and posture is a problem. How old is he, how well does he hit now and how much higher does he want to play?
                      Originally posted by LClifton View Post
                      [ATTACH]42909[/ATTACH]
                      [ATTACH]42908[/ATTACH]
                      Realizing the still pictures I am posting, comparing the hitters, appear to be at different times of the overall swing pattern...(see question below)

                      Suggestion;
                      Perch the rear arm up on this yellow shelf.
                      This should lower the lead arm (and shoulder) slightly and raise the barrel some.
                      From this position he may be less likely to lead with the rear elbow.

                      I posted the first picture in the slide show.
                      Question;
                      Is the first picture actually the very beginning of his movement pattern?

                      The front leg is not too bad.
                      He does a slite tap to begin...bat strts a bit higher but when he does his toe tap his hands drop down. I think I started at heal plant -1 with that post. I'll post the frames prior.

                      Thanks for the tips.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by TrentThomas View Post
                        I like the pdf slide show - how did you create that?

                        Here's what I did:

                        transferred analog video to computer...gives an AVI file.
                        Open video using quick time
                        Quick time pro allows you to export video to jpg frames.
                        pulled frames to power point slides
                        saved power point with adobe PDF

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                        • #13
                          I agree with Mark here on the posture.
                          Sometimes getting into the postion I showed in the Cabrerra picture (rear and front elbow, lead shoulder) will prompt a player to "tuck the belt line".
                          Certainly not a cure all (that set up).

                          Big strong looking young man with good overall movement.

                          Hope to see more of him here.

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                          • #14
                            Classic bat drag, and IMO, the front foot opens too soon, causing loss of power in his rotation. The front foot should be planted firmly giving his hips a foundation to rotate against. Notice how his front heel pivots to open his front side as he starts rotation.

                            IMO, you can eliminate his "squatting appearance" by setting the hands/elbow higher as stated, then have him start striding with the front foot closed. As he rotates around the front hip, his front leg will naturally straighten. Notice in clips of MLB players that after heel plant all movement of the front foot is isolated to rolling onto the outside of the foot.

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                            • #15
                              IMO it’s not a hand or arm starting position problem, but rather a linear start to begin the swing instead of using the hips to initiate momentum.

                              If you look at slide 1-6 there is no hip rotation as evidenced by the rear foot only starting to lift/move in frame 5. But during the same time you see the upper body move forward AND bring the hands.

                              If he was able to keep his hands back it wouldn’t be such a big deal, but since they are moving forward, his body is telling him to what for his hips to catch up and accomplishing that by pulling his elbow into his side and slowing the bat, hence the extreme bat drag seen.

                              This can be seen in frame 7, as his rear elbow is out in front of his rear hip and continues to do so in frame 8 and then has to pull across his body in frame 9 to get the bat head into the hitting zone.

                              What is unusual is that he is able to stop his elbow travel in frame 10 and show good extension from there through frames 11, 12, and 13. Being able to do this tells me has some pretty good upper body and forearm strength, however I think he is sacrificing significant power to make better contact. Does he hit for power or does he hit more line drives that falls solidly between the infielders and outfielders?

                              In essence this early elbow and bat drag are his way trying to keep to the idea of being short to the ball and preventing a long swing, but not initiating his swing from hips. It's his mind’s way of compensating, to stick with a plan, when the body got off to a bad start and is not cooperating.

                              Try Jim’s hip drill to teach him to start with his hips instead of his top side; I think the drill will help him immensely.

                              Good luck
                              In memory of "Catchingcoach" - Dave Weaver: February 28, 1955 - June 17, 2011

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