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  • Baseball gLove
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    Tom House supported Nolan Ryan with his weight lifting, football throws and long toss. Nolan Ryan pitched 27 years in the MLB, 7 No Hitters, 5,714 strikeouts and had a life time 3.19 ERA. Who are you?

    After Nolan Ryan would throw the football for a few minutes as part of his warm up he would throw long toss with a baseball and then finish with a short bullpen. He also chopped wood in the off season. Perhaps this specialization you speak of, contributes to problem of pitchers going down with injuries. Pitchers used to throw a lot more and had fewer restrictions. But they also didn't have to face power hitting shortstops batting .300 either.

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  • cosmo34
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    Originally posted by APPpitch View Post
    Again, distractions abound. You could spend more time on the mound throwing a small white ball into a strikezone, OR you could spend less time doing this and more time perfecting your football tossing skills. When a batter steps into the box, which skill are you now hoping to have spent more time doing?
    Which is why Clemens and Walker strongly encouraged maintaining your baseball throwing mechanics while throwing a football. It is also why you do not use it as an end-all-be-all tactic for throwing. If you do it right, it can only help you get loose and possibly help with a little bit of strength (not alot, but you're not going to get weaker, that's for sure).

    And heaven forbid a kid ever goes out and has a little fun besides throwing bullpens all the time. Having fun on the side is just simply unacceptable.

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  • Go Cardinals
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    Originally posted by APPpitch View Post
    I believe Dice-K has gone back to just throwing hundreds of pitches from the mound during his bullpens.
    I thought he went back to long toss

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  • APPpitch
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    Again, distractions abound. You could spend more time on the mound throwing a small white ball into a strikezone, OR you could spend less time doing this and more time perfecting your football tossing skills. When a batter steps into the box, which skill are you now hoping to have spent more time doing?

    The skill of command is practiced in practice, not in the game.

    How much football tossing does Tim Lincecum do?

    Time spent doing things that are not specific to your specific sporting activity is time wasted. Time you can never reclaim.

    Does Roger Federer swing a badminton racket, how about a weighted badminton racket?

    Do quarterbacks throw baseballs or basketballs to train to be quarterbacks?

    Do basketball players practice shooting soccer balls?

    Keep away from anything that distracts from the task at hand.

    Ryan threw hard because after he stepped back, he exploded forward and kept his hips moving forward into a long stride, braced up his landing leg and sent his upper half flying forward. Just like Lincecum.

    Tom House turned Ryan onto throwing a football I believe. Tom House created distractions and used a generation of pitchers as guinea pigs. I'm assuming Dice-K tried it because the Red Sox thought this was a way to go. I believe Dice-K has gone back to just throwing hundreds of pitches from the mound during his bullpens.

    He was distracted for a short bit.

    Don't be distracted.

    -scott

    PS> Here is the final blurb from Tom House's USC pitching coach appointment:

    "Tom brings us knowledge," Kreuter said. "He brings research, as he's tried to bring the pitching aspect of baseball into the 21st century with technology, and has done that. It's going to be exciting not only for USC baseball, but for college baseball. We're really going to put a stamp on the pitching models for years to come."

    Forty years after leaving campus, House is back, and don't expect any footballs in the bullpen any time soon.

    >So it looks like even Tom learned from his own mistake.
    Last edited by APPpitch; 05-22-2008, 10:20 PM.

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  • Jesse
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    I would be careful doing this. Some people have trouble when they go from one size/type ball to another. I know if I spend all day throwing a softball, then try to throw a baseball, I have a hard time. Going from a football to a baseball really messes me up. If you don't have this problem, go for it.

    Also, be aware that it's not exactly the same motion. A football is thrown more from a cocked position, and has a quicker release. I have seen people throw a football with a baseball-style windup, but it's not the norm and it's difficult to do effectively unless you have huge paws.

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  • Baseball gLove
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    Originally posted by APPpitch View Post
    Throwing a football helps with throwing a football, if that is your goal.

    Nolan Ryan had a difficult time throwing strikes, imagine if he spent more time on the mound throwing the baseball into the strikezone.

    Sometimes logic is ignored and distractions get introduced.

    Does Tiger Woods swing a lacrosse stick?

    -scott
    Ryan started throwing the football with Houston when he finally exceeded 2 K's for each walk issued. From 1984 to 1993 he struck out 3.63 batters for each walked batter. He also had a lifetime ERA of 3.19. Who has more No Hitters than he does? Coincidence?

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  • RuthMayBond
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    Originally posted by APPpitch View Post
    Nolan Ryan had a difficult time throwing strikes,
    The question was about velocity. I believe Nolan Ryan was above average in that department

    <imagine if he spent more time on the mound throwing the baseball into the strikezone.>

    You mean more than 5,386 regular-season innings and 22,575 batters faced?

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  • cosmo34
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    Won't increase your velocity, but like said before, it will help condition the arm, and is a great warmup to get loose. Todd Walker, Clemens, and Uggla are some that I've seen do it.

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  • APPpitch
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    Throwing a football helps with throwing a football, if that is your goal.

    Nolan Ryan had a difficult time throwing strikes, imagine if he spent more time on the mound throwing the baseball into the strikezone.

    Sometimes logic is ignored and distractions get introduced.

    Does Tiger Woods swing a lacrosse stick?

    -scott

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  • Baseball gLove
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    Throwing a football doesn't help velocity, but it doesn't hurt it either. It does help condition the arm. Nolan Ryan would toss a football as a part of his warm up before long toss.

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  • mightylakers
    started a topic Will throwing football help pitching velocity?

    Will throwing football help pitching velocity?

    First it is a little heavier than baseball so this will help to build up the strength?

    How about the size, do you think it can help kid to get better hand/fingers actions?

    TIA
    Last edited by mightylakers; 05-22-2008, 11:02 AM.

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